From merg2003 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 21 05:18:37 2005 From: merg2003 at hotmail.com (Martin Jones) Date: Mon Feb 21 05:19:02 2005 Subject: (fax) RE: faxlist-digest V2005 #10 In-Reply-To: <20050220032836.40463536EBA@naughty.monkey.org> Message-ID: (besides, some may want to debate it, but if the only way to get a certain album for less than $150 is to download it, then so be it.) Amen to that....I feel even less guilty about doing that for Fax releases and other limited ones than I do for normal ones :-) Also, I seem to remember this list is archived somewhere...dunno where though :-/ From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Wed Feb 23 01:36:27 2005 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Wed Feb 23 01:36:35 2005 Subject: (fax) Schulze / Fax artwork In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200502230636.j1N6aR26014420@pog.tecnopolis.ca> On 1 Feb, Paul Milligan wrote: > derivative of the genre but, extremely well executed. However, I do miss the > "what the f**k is that?" response I use to have to a lot of the old ones... Hah! I don't know how many times I've gotten that response too... always good for a laugh. Show them Limelight's cover, or some of the FAX crypto-font and watch their mind boggle. (FAX sadism?) From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Wed Feb 23 01:39:13 2005 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Wed Feb 23 01:39:21 2005 Subject: (fax) Schulze / Fax artwork In-Reply-To: <004001c50941$6f495bd0$6501a8c0@your46e94owx6a> Message-ID: <200502230639.j1N6dDOx014499@pog.tecnopolis.ca> On 2 Feb, Greg Hill wrote: > to me the S.H.A.D.O releases were close to being the best in the fax > catelogue(I would say top 5 for me). I'm still not sure about 2 (yet), but, yes, 1 is probably in my top 10. The big question is: on 1, what does it for you? The ambient or the bleep/beat stuff? I still get goosebumps from parts of the ambient stuff on there... From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Wed Feb 23 01:41:34 2005 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Wed Feb 23 01:41:37 2005 Subject: (fax) SoO 1 Message-ID: <20050223064134.GA14501@pog.tecnopolis.ca> Does anyone else get the feeling after listening to Shades of Orion (1) that it could have been released recently and it would sound just as fresh and modern? Biotrip and Retire are so ageless. Track 2 reminds me a lot of bits of Dreamfish (1). From paul.milligan at georgiadesign.com Wed Feb 23 04:44:52 2005 From: paul.milligan at georgiadesign.com (Paul Milligan) Date: Wed Feb 23 05:00:26 2005 Subject: (fax) Re: Fax artwork In-Reply-To: <200502230636.j1N6aR26014420@pog.tecnopolis.ca> Message-ID: on 23/02/2005 6:36 am, Trevor Cordes at trevor@tecnopolis.ca wrote: > On 1 Feb, Paul Milligan wrote: >> derivative of the genre but, extremely well executed. However, I do miss the >> "what the f**k is that?" response I use to have to a lot of the old ones... > Hah! I don't know how many times I've gotten that response too... > always good for a laugh. Show them Limelight's cover, or some of the > FAX crypto-font and watch their mind boggle. Actually, meant own response, to covers mainly on early Sub label releases ...like like Whole Traffic 2 & Softcore. They sorta added to the obscurity of the source From riouxs at aol.com Wed Feb 23 10:27:09 2005 From: riouxs at aol.com (Jason) Date: Wed Feb 23 10:27:27 2005 Subject: (fax) Re: Fax artwork In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <421CA0CD.2010703@aol.com> > > Hah! I don't know how many times I've gotten that response too... > > always good for a laugh. Show them Limelight's cover, or some of the > > FAX crypto-font and watch their mind boggle. > > Actually, meant own response, to covers mainly on early Sub label > releases > ...like like Whole Traffic 2 & Softcore. They sorta added to the > obscurity > of the source I first picked up cymatic scan and sad world 2 and was thoroughly intrigued by the odd images, the thematic design layout as well as the music. It was ambient - but up until that point most of the ambient I had heard was a much more polished and I suppose marketable form of it. It worked on me and although I don't keep up with the new releases like I used to, those early fax releases set a precedent w/ me in seeking out obscure music. Jason -- Infraction Records infractionrecords.com Outnow: Zimiamvian Night - s/t CD (INFX 007) Cavernous drones recalling distant scenes nearing the likes of Mirror or Monos. Limited edition of 50 numbered copies. Koda - Movements CD (INFX 008) "It's like Stars of the Lid covering Harold Budd." Andrew Liles - New York Doll 2CD (INFX 013) "Two continents, a dozen hidden meanings, the input of a hundred people and a thousand hours compiled tape - beautifully compressed onto two discs." Beequeen - Music for the Head Ballet CD (INFX 009) Out next: Ultra Milkmaids & Aidan Baker - At home with... CD (INFX 010) From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Wed Feb 23 14:47:01 2005 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Wed Feb 23 14:47:10 2005 Subject: (fax) Re: Fax artwork In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200502231947.j1NJl1HB030676@pog.tecnopolis.ca> On 23 Feb, Paul Milligan wrote: > > Actually, meant own response, to covers mainly on early Sub label releases > ...like like Whole Traffic 2 & Softcore. They sorta added to the obscurity > of the source Ah, yes. I still can't figure out what the heck that Electroharmonix thing is. From kracker at krackmonster.com Wed Feb 23 16:04:37 2005 From: kracker at krackmonster.com (Krackmonster) Date: Wed Feb 23 16:06:52 2005 Subject: (fax) Re: Fax artwork In-Reply-To: <200502231947.j1NJl1HB030676@pog.tecnopolis.ca> References: <200502231947.j1NJl1HB030676@pog.tecnopolis.ca> Message-ID: <295107251.20050223150437@krackmonster.com> Hello Trevor, It's a virtual reality headset Wednesday, February 23, 2005, 1:47:01 PM, you wrote: TC> On 23 Feb, Paul Milligan wrote: >> >> Actually, meant own response, to covers mainly on early Sub label releases >> ...like like Whole Traffic 2 & Softcore. They sorta added to the obscurity >> of the source TC> Ah, yes. I still can't figure out what the heck that Electroharmonix TC> thing is. TC> _______________________________________________ TC> faxlist mailing list TC> faxlist@2350.org TC> http://2350.org/mailman/listinfo/faxlist -- Best regards, Krackmonster mailto:kracker@krackmonster.com From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Thu Feb 24 18:21:46 2005 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Thu Feb 24 18:21:50 2005 Subject: (fax) Dreamfish issues? Message-ID: <20050224232146.GA6420@pog.tecnopolis.ca> Just how many labels was Dreamfish (1) issued under? FAX AW RSN Avatar (? what the heck is this one?) ? From msg at matucana.de Sat Feb 26 08:59:09 2005 From: msg at matucana.de (matucana) Date: Sat Feb 26 15:51:40 2005 Subject: (fax) Dreamfish issues? References: <20050224232146.GA6420@pog.tecnopolis.ca> Message-ID: <00bb01c51c0b$588a8c20$6464a8c0@scho> Hi Trevor and Faxheads, > Avatar (? what the heck is this one?) look here: http://www.discogs.com/label/Avatar+Records All the best, Hellmuth From sanvara at cox.net Sat Feb 26 22:52:32 2005 From: sanvara at cox.net (sanvara@cox.net) Date: Sat Feb 26 22:52:39 2005 Subject: (fax) Dreamfish issues? References: <20050224232146.GA6420@pog.tecnopolis.ca> <00bb01c51c0b$588a8c20$6464a8c0@scho> Message-ID: <006c01c51c7f$c7151880$6801a8c0@dell4550> So this one is superior in sound to the original Fax version? Label: Avatar Records Catalog#: AVA 007 Format:CD Country:Israel Released:2001 Genre: Electronic Style: Ambient Notes:Remastered and improved. >> Avatar (? what the heck is this one?) > > look here: > http://www.discogs.com/label/Avatar+Records From monkeygra at mac.com Sat Feb 26 00:30:30 2005 From: monkeygra at mac.com (Kyle Schrock) Date: Sun Feb 27 14:01:42 2005 Subject: (fax) royksopp & dsotm Message-ID: <83d2b60d78e74105483c26917e04f467@mac.com> i don't know if anyone has noticed this before, or maybe it's already been discussed, but the main melodic guitar riff from the R?yksopp song "Sparks" is a sample of "Three Pipers at the Gates of Dawn Part 6" from the Dark Side of the Moog 4 (at 2:48 into the track). maybe it's already been said, i dunno. if so, then i'm sorry. but hey, someone sampling Namlook? how 'bout that. -schrock- From playing.by.ear at mindspring.com Wed Mar 2 09:22:35 2005 From: playing.by.ear at mindspring.com (David Hodgson) Date: Wed Mar 2 09:19:55 2005 Subject: (fax) FAX +49-69/450464 rare items SET SALE Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20050302071754.08301488@pop.mindspring.com> rare FAX items available from Playing By Ear... ____________________________________________ ____________________________________________ FAX +49-69/450464 (GERMANY): all items guaranteed / conservative ratings on USED titles=buy with confidence! ____________________________________________ ____________________________________________ MAIN LABEL NAMLOOK VII PK 08/93 - NEW / SEALED http://www.2350.org/pk93/ JET CHAMBER PK 08/102 - NEW / SEALED http://2350.org/pk102/ THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG V PK 08/123 - NEW / SEALED http://www.2350.org/pk123/ NAMLOOK XIII PK 08/136 - "License To Chill" - NEW / SEALED http://2350.org/pk136/ JET CHAMBER IV PK 08/137 - NEW / SEALED http://www.2350.org/pk137/ THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG VII PK 08/143 - USED / VG THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG VII PK 08/143 - NEW / SEALED http://www.2350.org/pk143/ AIR IV PK 08/144 - NEW / SEALED http://www.2350.org/pk144/ NAMLOOK XIV "Solarized" PK 08/145 - NEW / SEALED http://www.2350.org/pk145/ MOVE D / NAMLOOK III: The Retro Rocket PK 08/147 - NEW / SEALED http://www.2350.org/pk147/ SILENCE IV PK 08/149 - NEW / SEALED http://2350.org/pk149/ JET CHAMBER V PK 08/150 - NEW / SEALED http://www.2350.org/pk150/ THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG IX PK 08/163 - NEW / SEALED http://www.2350.org/pk163/ ____________________________________________ ____________________________________________ WORLD LABEL SHADES OF ORION 2 PW 20 - NEW / SEALED http://www.2350.org/pw20/ WECHSELSPANNUNG 2 PW 23 - NEW / SEALED http://2350.org/pw23/ PSYCHONAVIGATION 2 PW 24 - USED / VG+ http://www.2350.org/pw24/ OUTLAND 2 PW 28 - USED / VG http://www.2350.org/pw28/ HIA/NAMLOOK - S.H.A.D.O. 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PW 34 - NEW / SEALED http://www.2350.org/pw34/ FROM WITHIN 3 PW 36 - USED / VG+ FROM WITHIN 3 PW 36 - NEW / SEALED http://www.2350.org/pw36/ OUTLAND 3 PW 37 - USED / VG OUTLAND 3 PW 37 - NEW / SEALED http://www.2350.org/pw37/ SULTAN - Osman PW 39 - NEW / SEALED http://www.2350.org/pw39/ PSYCHONAVIGATION 4 PW 40 - USED / VG+ PSYCHONAVIGATION 4 PW 40 - NEW / SEALED http://www.2350.org/pw40/ OUTLAND 4 - PW 43 - USED / VG+ OUTLAND 4 - PW 43 - NEW / SEALED http://www.2350.org/pw43/ THE FIRES OF ORK 2 PW 44 - Pete Namlook & Geir Jenssen (aka Biosphere) - NEW / SEALED http://2350.org/pw44/ ____________________________________________ ____________________________________________ SUB LABEL SAD WORLD PS 08/21 12" - NEW (vinyl) http://www.2350.org/ps21/ SPYRA "Sferics" PS 08/91 - NEW / SEALED http://2350.org/ps91/ ____________________________________________ ____________________________________________ AMBIENT WORLD FROM WITHIN AW 005 - NEW / SEALED http://www.2350.org/aw005/ DREAMFISH AW 012 (original reissue) - NEW / SEALED http://www.2350.org/aw012/ TRANSONIC "Downstream Illusion" AW 013 - USED / VG+ http://www.2350.org/aw013/ SULTAN AW 016 (original reissue) - NEW / SEALED http://2350.org/aw016/ AMBIANT OTAKU CD AW 017 - NEW / SEALED http://2350.org/aw017/ ____________________________________________ ____________________________________________ SPECIALS: THE AMBIENT COOKBOOK II [4xCD] PKPWPS6 - NEW / SEALED http://2350.org/pkpwps6/ NAMLOOK "The Four Seasons" SEA 00 - NEW / SEALED http://2350.org/sea00/ ____________________________________________ ____________________________________________ RATHER INTERESTING (GERMANY): Atom Heart / AtomTM productions http://atom-heart.com/ DANDY JACK AND THE COSMIC TROUSERS RI 034 - NEW / SEALED MACHINE PAISLEY RI 035 - NEW / SEALED MONO RI 038 - NEW / SEALED SCHNITTSTELLE RI 047 - NEW / SEALED LOS SAMPLERS: Descargas RI 053 - NEW / SEALED FLEXTONE / ATOM: 10th Anniversary Box 2CD (RI023CL). - NEW / SEALED / NUMBERED & SIGNED copies to order & see the latest list contact ...David Hodgson From Organicnavel at aol.com Wed Mar 2 22:28:24 2005 From: Organicnavel at aol.com (Organicnavel@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 2 22:28:33 2005 Subject: (fax) FA: eBay.......ending very soon! Message-ID: <2114662A.71F8A5CC.3728E355@aol.com> Hello Friends, The following cds listed for auction on eBay are ending soon. PK 08/102 JET CHAMBER PK 08/144 AIR IV "Elle A Du Shell" [Sealed!] PW 11 FROM WITHIN [SEALED!] PW 39 SULTAN - OSMAN [Sealed!] PS 08/52 A DAY IN THE PARK PS 08/55 WHOLE TRAFFIC 2 PS 08/65 XANGADIX PS 08/72 AERIAL SERVICE AREA 2 PS 08/75 Modula Green SHELLGROUND Plus many other electronic music rarities, including SUPERFICIAL DEPTH and ANTHONY ROTHER. Check them out here: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZorganicnavel or http://tinyurl.com/43hq6 Thanks for sneaking a peek, Mark [organicnavel] From dakota.boo at pop3.hiway.co.uk Thu Mar 3 16:23:03 2005 From: dakota.boo at pop3.hiway.co.uk (Dakota) Date: Thu Mar 3 16:23:11 2005 Subject: (fax) FA: Softcore, Namlook XI, Namlook VIII + IX, Silent Music Message-ID: <20050303211218.EF6AF85B08D@mail1.monkey.org> Just listed . ATOM HEART - Softcore (FAX PS08/53, NAMLOOK) RARE http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &category=1577&item=4706977894 PETE NAMLOOK - NAMLOOK VIII + IX (FAX PK08/97 double) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &category=1577&item=4706977917 PETE NAMLOOK - NAMLOOK XI (FAX PK08/113) RARE http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &category=1577&item=4706977943 PETE NAMLOOK/DANDY JACK - Silent Music (FAX PK08/139) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &category=1577&item=4706977976 More titles at http://boo.hiway.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://monkeymail.org/archives/faxlist/attachments/20050303/0b1cf169/attachment-0001.htm From paul.milligan at georgiadesign.com Fri Mar 4 11:45:14 2005 From: paul.milligan at georgiadesign.com (Paul Milligan) Date: Fri Mar 4 12:00:58 2005 Subject: (fax) KS news Message-ID: bit of news that should excite the KS fans on here... apparently the forthcoming re-release of 'Digit' (due April) is going to include a bonus dvd containing an in-concert film of Klaus, circa 1980. should be out around the same time as 'DSOTM X' I guess. From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Sat Mar 5 10:31:39 2005 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Sat Mar 5 10:31:47 2005 Subject: (fax) Re: (fax usa) Dark Side of the Moog X In-Reply-To: <644b4bc845b101233b894ef5e131547c@faxlabelusa.com> Message-ID: <200503051531.j25FVdO3025311@pog.tecnopolis.ca> On 4 Mar, Dave @ Fax USA (EAR/Rational Music) wrote: > SMALL PDF attached. "...is the final of the of the DSotM series" Really? If 10's anywhere near as good as 9, I will be sad to see the series stop. Of course, that doesn't keep KS & PK from coming up with some new collaboration project ;-) From dave at faxlabelusa.com Sat Mar 5 10:39:54 2005 From: dave at faxlabelusa.com (Dave @ Fax USA (EAR/Rational Music)) Date: Sat Mar 5 10:40:51 2005 Subject: (fax) X review Message-ID: From Groove E-News #431: PETE NAMLOOK & KLAUS SCHULZE - DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG X (CD) Finally, here comes the jubilee production of Klaus and Pete. It combines futuristic soundscapes with piano, voice, live drumming and up-to-date / vintage electronica. Some sounds never heard before as well as the brilliant sequencing, string and Moog solo-elements of Klaus that made him famous are part of the music. Like being lost on a drifting spaceship..recording his voice to a log, Pete starts the CD with a text that will leave no listener untouched. Followed by the musical interpretation of this text the music evolves from dark soundtrack / avangarde to chill-out and space music. The ending of the CD is being marked by a monumental finish with a Moog-Solo that Klaus and Pete combined their forces for. This outstanding recording is the final of "The Dark Side of the Moog" series. From dave at faxlabelusa.com Sat Mar 5 10:45:40 2005 From: dave at faxlabelusa.com (Dave @ Fax USA (EAR/Rational Music)) Date: Sat Mar 5 10:47:23 2005 Subject: (fax) X review (whoops) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <112f39af08099d220036f6ed210536a0@faxlabelusa.com> Whoops, I'm suffering from a nasty cold right now, and didn't pay attention. This is of course just the text from the one-sheet! Dave On Mar 5, 2005, at 8:39 AM, Dave @ Fax USA (EAR/Rational Music) wrote: > From Groove E-News #431: > > PETE NAMLOOK & KLAUS SCHULZE - DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG X (CD) > Finally, here comes the jubilee production of Klaus and Pete. It > combines > futuristic soundscapes with piano, voice, live drumming and up-to-date > / > vintage electronica. Some sounds never heard before as well as the > brilliant > sequencing, string and Moog solo-elements of Klaus that made him > famous are > part of the music. > > Like being lost on a drifting spaceship..recording his voice to a log, > Pete > starts the CD with a text that will leave no listener untouched. > Followed by > the musical interpretation of this text the music evolves from dark > soundtrack / avangarde to chill-out and space music. > The ending of the CD is being marked by a monumental finish with a > Moog-Solo that Klaus and Pete combined their forces for. > This outstanding recording is the final of "The Dark Side of the Moog" > series. > > _______________________________________________ > faxlist mailing list > faxlist@2350.org > http://2350.org/mailman/listinfo/faxlist > From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Sat Mar 5 10:53:14 2005 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Sat Mar 5 10:53:22 2005 Subject: (fax) Schulze In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200503051553.j25FrFs1025756@pog.tecnopolis.ca> > peers, he's either pushing out the boundaries or at the very least, carving > out his own personal niche. Ten good examples (in chronological order, over > a 33 year period): Paul M and RLynn -- funny how you guys only agree on 2 titles in your KS album recommendations (Irrlicht & Timewind). Is KS that hit & miss that fans will invariably have such a wide variance on what they consider his best work? I'm going to try to pick up that Mirage reissue (which only RL mentions, but as his last choice?) to see how that goes. Mirage was the top rated KS album on some mailing list vote ages ago. From brian at lists.frickster.net Sat Mar 5 10:56:30 2005 From: brian at lists.frickster.net (Brian) Date: Sat Mar 5 10:56:36 2005 Subject: (fax) Schulze In-Reply-To: <200503051553.j25FrFs1025756@pog.tecnopolis.ca> Message-ID: Trevor, Paul, RLynn, I have both. If these are his "best", oh bother...! I thought they were ok, but 30 minute songs that hardly change at all... Well, it defines minimalism. I didn't think they were all that interesting, in total. =D -Brian On 3/5/05 9:53 AM, "Trevor Cordes" wrote: >> peers, he's either pushing out the boundaries or at the very least, carving >> out his own personal niche. Ten good examples (in chronological order, over >> a 33 year period): > > Paul M and RLynn -- funny how you guys only agree on 2 titles in your KS > album recommendations (Irrlicht & Timewind). Is KS that hit & miss that > fans will invariably have such a wide variance on what they consider his > best work? > > I'm going to try to pick up that Mirage reissue (which only RL mentions, > but as his last choice?) to see how that goes. Mirage was the top rated > KS album on some mailing list vote ages ago. From riouxs at aol.com Sat Mar 5 11:29:10 2005 From: riouxs at aol.com (Jason) Date: Sat Mar 5 11:29:13 2005 Subject: (fax) new spyra CD meditation Message-ID: <4229DE55.2030706@aol.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://monkeymail.org/archives/faxlist/attachments/20050305/1a2503d5/attachment.htm From paul.milligan at georgiadesign.com Mon Mar 7 04:32:27 2005 From: paul.milligan at georgiadesign.com (Paul Milligan) Date: Mon Mar 7 04:48:06 2005 Subject: (fax) Schulze In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 05/03/2005 3:56 pm, Brian at brian@lists.frickster.net wrote: > Trevor, Paul, RLynn, > > I have both. If these are his "best", oh bother...! I thought they were > ok, but 30 minute songs that hardly change at all... Well, it defines > minimalism. I didn't think they were all that interesting, in total. I believe I recommended Timewind as a good career marker, that's all. Very difficult to pinpoint his 'best' as there is so much... bit like our friend PK who has (conservatively) 20 great titles under his belt From almeria at earthlink.net Mon Mar 7 05:36:22 2005 From: almeria at earthlink.net (Rafael Almeria) Date: Mon Mar 7 05:36:16 2005 Subject: (fax) Schulze In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Timewind might not be his best but it is among his better works. Personally, I like EN=TRANCE a lot which tends to have more energy than some of his other ambient works. Cheers From istenrud at broadpark.no Mon Mar 7 07:08:40 2005 From: istenrud at broadpark.no (Ivar Stenrud) Date: Mon Mar 7 07:06:19 2005 Subject: (fax) Some Fax cd's at Ebay Message-ID: <422C4448.30909@broadpark.no> I've just listed 5 Fax cd's on Ebay: *TETSU INOUE & JONAH SHARP - ELECTRO HARMONIX http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4708044467&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:UK:1 **PETE NAMLOOK - WANDERING SOUL http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4708043208&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:UK:1 **DANIEL PEMBERTON - BEDROOM http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4708038878&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:UK:1 **PETE NAMLOOK & BIOSPHERE - **THE FIRES OF ORK 2 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4708040735&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:UK:1 **FAX COMPILATION II 2CD (Instinct) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4708037198&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:UK:1 * To see all the listings: http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZorphevs Thanks, Ivar. From lx at neurowerx.de Tue Mar 8 12:50:48 2005 From: lx at neurowerx.de ('Alexander S.Kunz') Date: Tue Mar 8 12:50:49 2005 Subject: (fax) Artist or Project name Message-ID: <78509442.20050308185048@neurowerx.de> Hello everyone, I wonder if there's a "correct" way to handle the artist or project name for collaborations on Fax records. What I mean is best explained with some discogs.com entries, for example: http://www.discogs.com/artist/2350+Broadway ...this lists Pete Namlook & Tetsu Inoue as artist "2350 Broadway" (which is, IMVHO, nonsense) Same here: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Jet+Chamber Shouldn't the releases be credited as "Pete Namlook & Atom Heart", or "Pete Namlook & Tetsu Inoue"? What do you think? -- Best regards, 'Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: "The Day Before Point" by Alier from the album 'Goa Inside' From dave at faxlabelusa.com Tue Mar 8 13:40:41 2005 From: dave at faxlabelusa.com (Dave at FAX Label USA) Date: Tue Mar 8 13:38:56 2005 Subject: (fax) Orhan out of print Message-ID: <422DF1A9.9010904@faxlabelusa.com> That was fast...Orhan is already sold out in Germany. We have some copies left, as do other retailers I'm sure, but there will be no restocks. So please buy now if you haven't already gotten it...it's a great album. Dave From sanvara at cox.net Tue Mar 8 15:13:49 2005 From: sanvara at cox.net (sanvara@cox.net) Date: Tue Mar 8 15:13:57 2005 Subject: (fax) Artist or Project name References: <78509442.20050308185048@neurowerx.de> Message-ID: <001001c5241b$5a059780$6401a8c0@dell4550> > I wonder if there's a "correct" way to handle the artist or project name > for collaborations on Fax records. > > What I mean is best explained with some discogs.com entries, for example: > > http://www.discogs.com/artist/2350+Broadway > > ...this lists Pete Namlook & Tetsu Inoue as artist "2350 Broadway" (which > is, IMVHO, nonsense) I think listing the album under the project/artist name 2350 Broadway is the correct way to do it with the actual names Pete Namlook & Tetsu Inoue being "members". This is consistent with how other projects/groups are listed. For example Mouse on Mars, The Orb etc. From dave at faxlabelusa.com Tue Mar 8 16:03:19 2005 From: dave at faxlabelusa.com (Dave at FAX Label USA) Date: Tue Mar 8 16:01:34 2005 Subject: (fax) PK 08/169 Message-ID: <422E1317.7090400@faxlabelusa.com> Koolfang III coming soon...more details as they become available. Dave From lx at neurowerx.de Tue Mar 8 16:08:33 2005 From: lx at neurowerx.de (Alexander S.Kunz) Date: Tue Mar 8 16:08:35 2005 Subject: (fax) Artist or Project name In-Reply-To: <001001c5241b$5a059780$6401a8c0@dell4550> References: <78509442.20050308185048@neurowerx.de> <001001c5241b$5a059780$6401a8c0@dell4550> Message-ID: <509024985.20050308220833@neurowerx.de> Hello CAPITAL(sanvara@cox.net) & everyone else 08-Mrz-2005 21:13, you wrote: >> I wonder if there's a "correct" way to handle the artist or project name >> for collaborations on Fax records. > I think listing the album under the project/artist name 2350 Broadway is > the correct way to do it with the actual names Pete Namlook & Tetsu Inoue > being "members". This is consistent with how other projects/groups are > listed. For example Mouse on Mars, The Orb etc. I see what you mean... though I personally disagree, I also see that on http://music.hyperreal.org/labels/fax/ they mention "music by" for the Ambient Cookbook and list the project names... so it seems like project name is artist name... most of the time. I gotta start sorting things out at discogs.com according to this. :-) PS: when did the listserver change from majordomo to mailman? My subscription was lost in the process. :-/ -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) No two identical parts are alike. From bruno.fierens at pandora.be Tue Mar 8 16:15:53 2005 From: bruno.fierens at pandora.be (Bruno Fierens) Date: Tue Mar 8 16:15:32 2005 Subject: (fax) PK 08/169 In-Reply-To: <422E1317.7090400@faxlabelusa.com> Message-ID: <20050308211528.3D6BF44834@adicia.telenet-ops.be> WOWOWOWOWOWOW!!!!!! coolnez amazing that its back! way to go Pete & David > -----Original Message----- > From: faxlist-bounces@2350.org > [mailto:faxlist-bounces@2350.org] On Behalf Of Dave at FAX Label USA > Sent: dinsdag 8 maart 2005 22:03 > To: faxlist@2350.org > Subject: (fax) PK 08/169 > > Koolfang III coming soon...more details as they become available. > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > faxlist mailing list > faxlist@2350.org > http://2350.org/mailman/listinfo/faxlist > From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Tue Mar 8 18:52:18 2005 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Tue Mar 8 18:52:27 2005 Subject: (fax) Artist or Project name In-Reply-To: <78509442.20050308185048@neurowerx.de> Message-ID: <200503082352.j28NqIms022170@pog.tecnopolis.ca> On 8 Mar, 'Alexander S.Kunz' wrote: > Hello everyone, > > ...this lists Pete Namlook & Tetsu Inoue as artist "2350 Broadway" (which > is, IMVHO, nonsense) The only confusing thing should be the fact that sometimes in FAX the "artist" is a real name (even when it's 2+ people), and sometimes it's a project name. 2350.org is, I think, the "definitive" final word on such matters. The project-as-artist name thing (like the 2350 Broadway example) makes perfect sense when you think of the traditional "music band", like the Beatles or the Rolling Stones. We don't list a Beatles album as being done by the artist "Lennon, John + McCartney...". The FAX collab is the same thing -- a "band". The fact they are more transient, I suppose, means nothing. I think Warren @ 2350 used the spine labelling for deciding when to use project vs. artist names. We all just wish (I hope) that PK had been more consistent (unless the current state of affairs was all intentional?). As for mailman vs. majordomo -- that was a *long* time ago. I don't even remember when that was but I think the transition was pretty smooth so not sure why you got dropped. From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Tue Mar 8 18:57:16 2005 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Tue Mar 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: (fax) PK 08/169 In-Reply-To: <422E1317.7090400@faxlabelusa.com> Message-ID: <200503082357.j28NvGn0022291@pog.tecnopolis.ca> On 8 Mar, Dave at FAX Label USA wrote: > Koolfang III coming soon...more details as they become available. Oooh, that will be a nice treat and break from the drones as of late. I hope PK does some more beautiful guitar work ala Gig in the Sky track 1! From Organicnavel at aol.com Wed Mar 9 00:20:25 2005 From: Organicnavel at aol.com (Organicnavel@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 9 00:20:32 2005 Subject: (fax) FA: eBay Message-ID: <6B354A80.11DD95A1.3728E355@aol.com> Hello Friends, The following FAX classic cds are ending soon or have recently been listed for auction on eBay: ending soon... PK 08/103 Namlook/Sattler KOOLER PK 08/117 Namlook/Jack AMP PK 08/129 Namlook/Jack AMP II PK 08/131 Namlook/Held S/T PK 08/153 Namlook/Dag ADLERNEBEL PK 08/155 Namlook/Romboy 4VOICE III PK 08/158 Namlook/ Moufang WIRED AW003 Namlook AIR II [sealed] newly listed... PS 08/90 Uzzell-Edwards/Rivera DADA PS 08/88 Uzzell-Edwards/Bullock SUPERGROUP PS 08/79 Uzzell-Edwards OCTOPUS PS 08/77 Fanger & Siebert S/T PS 08/76 Oskar Sala MY FASCINATING INSTRUMENT PS 08/69 Chris Meloche WIRELESS PS 08/68 David Reeves OTRAS 2 PS 08/60 David Reeves OTRAS PS 08/54 Chris Meloche RECURRING DREAMS OF THE URBAM MYTH PS 08/47 Charles Gate/Victor Sol GATE/SOL PKPWPS 6 AMBIENT COOKBOOK [sealed] PW 24 Namlook/Laswell PSYCHONAVIGATION 2 [sealed] Plus more terriffic electronic music from FAX +49-69/450464 label artist's David Reeves, DeepSpace Network, Atom?, Tetsu Inoue and more........ Check them out here: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZorganicnavel or http://tinyurl.com/43hq6 Many Thanks, Mark [organicnavel] From joey at etherworld.com Wed Mar 9 13:22:13 2005 From: joey at etherworld.com (joey@etherworld.com) Date: Wed Mar 9 13:22:29 2005 Subject: (fax) Artist or Project name Message-ID: <80110-22005339182213188@M2W074.mail2web.com> I think we've all struggled with this one for some time now. My Fax tracks on iTunes is all messed up because of it :) Anyway, the major issue arises with projects like this one: Aerial Service Area 2 - 150 G Space Weight - PS 08/72 So, obviously this is the 2nd release by the project/band named Aerial Service Area but is the project/band name on this one just Aerial Service Area or Aerial Service Area 2? There are a few ways to label it: First Method: Artist: Aerial Service Area Album: 150 G Space Weight Composers: Victor Sol & Niko Heyduck Second Method: Artist: Aerial Service Area 2 Album: 150 G Space Weight Composers: Victor Sol & Niko Heyduck Third Method: Artist: Aerial Service Area Album: Aerial Service Area 2: 150 G Space Weight Composers: Victor Sol & Niko Heyduck I think I prefer the third method overall because it keeps the artist name consistent. I mean, you wouldn't really list another artist's second album like this: Jane's Addiction 2 - Nothing's Shocking, would you? Also, for multiple projects that don't have actual album titles, like Fires of Ork it simply looks like this: Artist: Fires of Ork Album: Fires of Ork 2 Composers: Pete Namlook & Geir Jenssen Just my 2 cents, -Joe Original Message: ----------------- From: Trevor Cordes trevor@tecnopolis.ca Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 17:52:18 -0600 (CST) To: faxlist@2350.org Subject: Re: (fax) Artist or Project name On 8 Mar, 'Alexander S.Kunz' wrote: > Hello everyone, > > ...this lists Pete Namlook & Tetsu Inoue as artist "2350 Broadway" (which > is, IMVHO, nonsense) The only confusing thing should be the fact that sometimes in FAX the "artist" is a real name (even when it's 2+ people), and sometimes it's a project name. 2350.org is, I think, the "definitive" final word on such matters. The project-as-artist name thing (like the 2350 Broadway example) makes perfect sense when you think of the traditional "music band", like the Beatles or the Rolling Stones. We don't list a Beatles album as being done by the artist "Lennon, John + McCartney...". The FAX collab is the same thing -- a "band". The fact they are more transient, I suppose, means nothing. I think Warren @ 2350 used the spine labelling for deciding when to use project vs. artist names. We all just wish (I hope) that PK had been more consistent (unless the current state of affairs was all intentional?). As for mailman vs. majordomo -- that was a *long* time ago. I don't even remember when that was but I think the transition was pretty smooth so not sure why you got dropped. _______________________________________________ faxlist mailing list faxlist@2350.org http://2350.org/mailman/listinfo/faxlist -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From lx at neurowerx.de Wed Mar 9 15:38:24 2005 From: lx at neurowerx.de (Alexander S.Kunz) Date: Wed Mar 9 15:40:03 2005 Subject: (fax) Artist or Project name In-Reply-To: <80110-22005339182213188@M2W074.mail2web.com> References: <200503082352.j28NqIms022170@pog.tecnopolis.ca> <80110-22005339182213188@M2W074.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <1879770737.20050309213824@neurowerx.de> Hello Joey@Etherworld.Com & everyone else 09-Mrz-2005 19:22, you wrote: > I think I prefer the third method overall because it keeps the artist > name consistent. Good point. Thats what I'm heading for at discogs.com (which is why I asked here): consistent artist name. > Artist: Fires of Ork > Album: Fires of Ork 2 > Composers: Pete Namlook & Geir Jenssen In "the old days" it was pretty common for (rock) bands to name at least one album with its number in their release history, so what you say does make sense indeed (thinking of "Magnum II" or "Toto IV" etc.) Thanks for the comments, all of you. I started to update a couple of releases on discogs.com and I hope the editors agree with the changes. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) And there's a dreadful law here - it was made by mistake, but there it is - that if anyone asks for machinery, they have to have it and keep on using it. -- E. Nesbit From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Wed Mar 9 17:42:38 2005 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Wed Mar 9 17:42:45 2005 Subject: (fax) Artist or Project name In-Reply-To: <80110-22005339182213188@M2W074.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <200503092242.j29Mgc6Q010778@pog.tecnopolis.ca> On 9 Mar, joey@etherworld.com wrote: > > Aerial Service Area 2 - 150 G Space Weight - PS 08/72 > > There are a few ways to label it: [...] I do something different. I have a database and it would store ASA2 as: project: Aerial Service Area projectversion: 2 title: 150 G Space Weight titleversion: 1 And I do sorting in that field order. Works out great so far, but doesn't really apply to any other label besides wacky FAX! From dave at faxlabelusa.com Fri Mar 11 22:10:46 2005 From: dave at faxlabelusa.com (Dave @ Fax USA (EAR/Rational Music)) Date: Fri Mar 11 22:10:47 2005 Subject: (fax) Pete/Klaus's Moog for sale! Message-ID: <43ec8f7c8e35f6f32d6d56fa89a7b3bb@faxlabelusa.com> Taxes are due, and Pete is forced to sell a true collector's item! Klaus's Moog system from the 1970s, currently owned by Pete and used on every Dark Side of the Moog recording, I-X. http://tinyurl.com/3pubm Note that the system weighs about 200 lbs., and therefore it probably can only be truck shipped. Shipping is listed at 99Euro within Germany, but it might be possible to pay a bit more and have it shipped to some other European destination, I don't know. Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On 11 Mar 2005 at 20:10, Dave @ Fax USA (EAR/Rational Music) wrote: > Taxes are due, and Pete is forced to sell a true collector's item! > Klaus's Moog system from the 1970s, currently owned by Pete and used > on every Dark Side of the Moog recording, I-X. > > > Verdanahttp://tinyurl.com/3pubm > > > Note that the system weighs about > 200 lbs., and therefore it probably can only be truck shipped. > Shipping is listed at 99Euro within Germany, but it might be possible > to pay a bit more and have it shipped to some other European > destination, I don't know. > > > DaveVerdana > > > From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Sat Mar 12 00:05:54 2005 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Sat Mar 12 00:06:02 2005 Subject: (fax) KS Mirage rerelease Message-ID: <200503120505.j2C55sH1024696@pog.tecnopolis.ca> Since the Mirage rerelease announcement was posted here by someone a few weeks ago, I thought I'd mention: I just got the Mirage rerelease from Amazon today and was extremely disappointed to find a major digital glitch at 2:58 on track 1 and many other smaller glitches on the same track. I'm not the first to notice this: http://www.emforum.nl/viewtopic.php?id=1259&p=1 If you were thinking of buying this CD, probably best to wait till the "fixed" version comes out (details in the above link). As for me, I'm going to contact both Amazon and the record company to see how I can get the glitch-free version. Talk about a rip-off if I have to re-buy it! Argh! Doesn't anyone _listen_ to their masters before sending it to the CD plant? A half-deaf idiot could spot the big glitch on a first listen. As an aside, I'm 1/3rd through the CD and it's pretty nice! Probably the best I've heard of KS (solo) so far (which isn't much, mind you). Very early-TD-esque. From kakadu at iinet.net.au Sat Mar 12 01:35:22 2005 From: kakadu at iinet.net.au (D) Date: Sat Mar 12 01:35:29 2005 Subject: (fax) KS Mirage rerelease In-Reply-To: <200503120505.j2C55sH1024696@pog.tecnopolis.ca> Message-ID: <4233285A.3962.A4B19F@localhost> Trevor, how was the DVD movie that came with it? Or there wasn't one? On 11 Mar 2005 at 23:05, Trevor Cordes wrote: > Since the Mirage rerelease announcement was posted here by someone a few > weeks ago, I thought I'd mention: > > I just got the Mirage rerelease from Amazon today and was extremely > disappointed to find a major digital glitch at 2:58 on track 1 and many > other smaller glitches on the same track. > > I'm not the first to notice this: > > http://www.emforum.nl/viewtopic.php?id=1259&p=1 > > If you were thinking of buying this CD, probably best to wait till the > "fixed" version comes out (details in the above link). > > As for me, I'm going to contact both Amazon and the record company to > see how I can get the glitch-free version. Talk about a rip-off if I > have to re-buy it! Argh! Doesn't anyone _listen_ to their masters > before sending it to the CD plant? A half-deaf idiot could spot the big > glitch on a first listen. > > As an aside, I'm 1/3rd through the CD and it's pretty nice! Probably > the best I've heard of KS (solo) so far (which isn't much, mind you). > Very early-TD-esque. > > _______________________________________________ > faxlist mailing list > faxlist@2350.org > http://2350.org/mailman/listinfo/faxlist > From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Sat Mar 12 01:36:55 2005 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Sat Mar 12 01:37:06 2005 Subject: (fax) KS Mirage rerelease In-Reply-To: <4233285A.3962.A4B19F@localhost> Message-ID: <200503120636.j2C6atBf026194@pog.tecnopolis.ca> On 12 Mar, D wrote: > Trevor, > > how was the DVD movie that came with it? Or there wasn't one? No DVD movie in the version I got. I didn't know one was available. From andre at sansserifgrafik.com Sat Mar 12 09:36:38 2005 From: andre at sansserifgrafik.com (Andre Ruello) Date: Sat Mar 12 09:36:48 2005 Subject: (fax) a dark side of a moog Message-ID: <6a348515a248c3c38c9a2988ced52ad5@sansserifgrafik.com> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? 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ATOM HEART - Live at Sel i/s/c (FAX PS08/41, NAMLOOK) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &category=1577&item=4709974296 ATOM HEART/TETSU INOUE - Second Nature (FAX PS08/78) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &category=1577&item=4709974332 PETE NAMLOOK - Dark Side of the Moog V (FAX PK08/123) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &category=1577&item=4709974362 A few days to go . PETE NAMLOOK - Dark Side of the Moog VI (FAX PK08/133) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &category=1577&item=4709158889 PETE NAMLOOK/FAX - Sextant 2 (rare 12" on Disco Press) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &category=58643&item=4709563442 PETE NAMLOOK/FAX - Sequential (12" on Rising High) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &category=58643&item=4709563457 Thanks. Email: dakota.boo@pop3.hiway.co.uk Web page: http://boo.hiway.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From lx at neurowerx.de Mon Mar 14 11:53:25 2005 From: lx at neurowerx.de (Alexander S.Kunz) Date: Mon Mar 14 11:53:34 2005 Subject: (fax) New Composers on ebay In-Reply-To: <20050314062829.GA25086@pog.tecnopolis.ca> References: <20050314062829.GA25086@pog.tecnopolis.ca> Message-ID: <1445549935.20050314175325@neurowerx.de> Hello Trevor Cordes & everyone else 14-Mrz-2005 07:28, you wrote: > I hadn't heard of this before: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4709971026 New Composers have 15 CD releases listed here: http://www.discogs.com/artist/New+Composers ...only 4 are on Fax. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Space is the empty place next to the full place where we live. I believe we will be true to our nature and go there. -- James R. Arnold From dave at faxlabelusa.com Mon Mar 14 16:12:47 2005 From: dave at faxlabelusa.com (Dave at FAX Label USA) Date: Mon Mar 14 16:11:00 2005 Subject: (fax) MP3-CD sale Message-ID: <4235FE4F.7050205@faxlabelusa.com> For a limited time, all FAX MP3-CDs are on sale for $21.50: http://www.ear-rational.com/index.php?searchparm=FAX+MP3 And remember these are all encoded at 256-320K VBR, so you can convert to WAV with minimal loss and make CD-Rs of each individual album, if your preference is to have a CD of each individual album. (Yes, *some* of you will be able to tell the difference bewteen the original CD and the MP3->WAV CD, but the vast majority of folks won't, so it's a reasonable strategy.) Dave From merg2003 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 15 07:00:05 2005 From: merg2003 at hotmail.com (Martin Jones) Date: Tue Mar 15 07:00:08 2005 Subject: (fax) Re: Pete/Klaus's Moog for sale! In-Reply-To: <20050313171809.2BADD18DA6@postal.monkey.org> Message-ID: Does this mean that eBay user "ingrillini" is actually Pete, or is someone selling it for him? From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Tue Mar 15 10:17:08 2005 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Tue Mar 15 10:17:20 2005 Subject: (fax) Re: Pete/Klaus's Moog for sale! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200503151517.j2FFH8Zs031522@pog.tecnopolis.ca> On 15 Mar, Martin Jones wrote: > Does this mean that eBay user "ingrillini" is actually Pete, or is someone > selling it for him? I'm 90% positive ingrillini is some other guy. He always seems to have access to mint/new old FAX releases, etc, so no doubt he is closely tied in with PK. I've done business with him before and he's fine, given the language and distance barriers. Boy, is that Moog price getting up high! From RLynn9 at aol.com Thu Mar 17 10:12:09 2005 From: RLynn9 at aol.com (RLynn9@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 17 10:12:20 2005 Subject: (fax) Dreamy.... Message-ID: i had a really great dream last night...i won't go into details but there was a fantastic soundtrack playing in the room i was in...i called out: "what is this beautifyl music?" and voice much like HAL's replied: "Fifth World : Possible Ambience" by Jon Hassell and Peter Namlook" what a great dream RL np - Jon Hassell "Power Spot" From almeria at earthlink.net Thu Mar 17 14:02:40 2005 From: almeria at earthlink.net (Rafael Almeria) Date: Thu Mar 17 14:02:27 2005 Subject: (fax) Sort of funny... Message-ID: <22BFD227-9717-11D9-84CD-000A95A677EC@earthlink.net> Electronic Shadows: Your nine albums with Pete Namlook, The Dark Side of the Moog, should they be seen as some kind of musical humour, a tribute to Pink Floyd, or what? Klaus Schulze: Money. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And yet it seems strange as PK + KS can't be making too much money off the DSotM series -- at least not compared to what KS must have been raking in in the 70's and 80's doing a bazillion albums and concerts? Or maybe it just goes to prove that KS really is just throwing old material lying around at PK to mix into something cool, without (KS) expending much effort. From sanvara at cox.net Thu Mar 17 19:29:29 2005 From: sanvara at cox.net (sanvara@cox.net) Date: Thu Mar 17 19:29:39 2005 Subject: (fax) Sort of funny... References: <200503172330.j2HNUYxW019120@pog.tecnopolis.ca> Message-ID: <001401c52b51$8e568f70$6401a8c0@dell4550> > On 17 Mar, Rafael Almeria wrote: >> >> Electronic Shadows: Your nine albums with Pete Namlook, The Dark Side >> of the Moog, should they be seen as some kind of musical humour, a >> tribute to Pink Floyd, or what? >> >> Klaus Schulze: Money. > > Ya, I was a bit disappointed to see that kind of answer. A bit shallow. > I hope PK doesn't feel the same. Are we sure this wasn't a stab at some kind of ironic humor? After all the song "Money" appears on the Dark Side of the Moon album. From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Thu Mar 17 23:09:30 2005 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Thu Mar 17 23:09:33 2005 Subject: (fax) Koolfang 3 art Message-ID: <20050318040930.GA23563@pog.tecnopolis.ca> What's up with the cover art on the new Koolfang 3 (as seen on the PDF)? Is PK trying to give us some shock treatment, or maybe his SO felt it was payback time for Air 4? ;-) Hey, it made me just realize that I don't think there's ever been a single female (that we knew of) on this list. If your market is 99% male, you usually don't want to put a naked guy on the cover of the album. It sure won't be one I'll be leaving out on the coffee table or some pals might get the wrong idea. I come from the world of computers and in computers it's hard enough to find "girl nerds" -- the field is still 95% dominated by males -- but it seems I've found an even more male-dominated subject: FAX. Strange, but true? From riouxs at aol.com Fri Mar 18 01:08:17 2005 From: riouxs at aol.com (Jason) Date: Fri Mar 18 01:10:27 2005 Subject: (fax) Sort of funny... In-Reply-To: <001401c52b51$8e568f70$6401a8c0@dell4550> References: <200503172330.j2HNUYxW019120@pog.tecnopolis.ca> <001401c52b51$8e568f70$6401a8c0@dell4550> Message-ID: <423A7051.90807@aol.com> > >> Electronic Shadows: Your nine albums with Pete Namlook, The Dark Side > >> of the Moog, should they be seen as some kind of musical humour, a > >> tribute to Pink Floyd, or what? > >> > >> Klaus Schulze: Money. > > > > Ya, I was a bit disappointed to see that kind of answer. A bit > shallow. > > I hope PK doesn't feel the same. > > Are we sure this wasn't a stab at some kind of ironic humor? After all > the > song "Money" appears on the Dark Side of the Moon album. Remember the Beck's beer commercial from a few years back when the German fella is attempting stand-up comedy...and it horribly flops? The marketing line was "Germans are known for great beer, not stand-up comedy" or something along those lines. My point? I think he (Klaus) was probably being succinct and not witty in his reply. Who knows though. Just a few cents to add to this thread. Jason -- Infraction Records infractionrecords.com Outnow: Zimiamvian Night - s/t CD (INFX 007) Cavernous drones recalling distant scenes nearing the likes of Mirror or Monos. Limited edition of 50 numbered copies. Koda - Movements CD (INFX 008) "It's like Stars of the Lid covering Harold Budd." Andrew Liles - New York Doll 2CD (INFX 013) "Two continents, a dozen hidden meanings, the input of a hundred people and a thousand hours compiled tape - beautifully compressed onto two discs." Beequeen - Music for the Head Ballet CD (INFX 009) Out next: Ultra Milkmaids & Aidan Baker - At home with... CD (INFX 010) From paul.milligan at georgiadesign.com Fri Mar 18 04:40:37 2005 From: paul.milligan at georgiadesign.com (Paul Milligan) Date: Fri Mar 18 04:56:20 2005 Subject: (fax) Sort of funny... OR NOT AS THE CASE MAY BE In-Reply-To: <200503172330.j2HNUYxW019120@pog.tecnopolis.ca> Message-ID: >> Klaus Schulze: Money. > Ya, I was a bit disappointed to see that kind of answer. A bit shallow. > I hope PK doesn't feel the same. This is a typical answer from Schulze. I have obtained some insight into his personality through conversations with his erstwhile manager and lifelong friend KDM. Three things to bear in mind... firstly, historically KS has not a commercially driven/astute person and has in fact suffered financially over the years by being too trusting of others in the 'business' so, with live performance something of a rarity these days he can not rely entirely on back catalogue revenue to support his lifestyle and continuing interest in making music. Secondly, he has produced several fine albums over the years which were 'commissions' such as Angst and Body Love... it doesn't mean he puts less effort into the end product! Thirdly, people often lose sight of the fact that music is not just his interest, it's his living. Don't be naive enough to believe that Fax still exists for purely aesthetic reasons. > And yet it seems strange as PK + KS can't be making too much money off > the DSotM series. Wrong, they are very successful commercially... they are printed in greater quantities than all other releases, always sell out out quickly, and have been re-issued for additional revenue. Even spawned the Evolution comp. > at least not compared to what KS must have been raking in in the 70's See comments above. What KS has 'raked' in over the past 35 years is a drop in the ocean compared to mainstream name acts. > Or maybe it just goes to prove that KS really is just throwing old > material lying around at PK to mix into something cool, without (KS) > expending much effort. You have taken a single word response from KS and expanded it into something that is a highly subjective interpretation. From brian at lists.frickster.net Fri Mar 18 09:17:26 2005 From: brian at lists.frickster.net (Brian) Date: Fri Mar 18 09:17:32 2005 Subject: (fax) Sort of funny... In-Reply-To: <423A7051.90807@aol.com> Message-ID: You can't fault him for answering that way, either. If I recall correctly, our own Pete Namlook is creating his music "to make a living" -- i.e., for money. At least Klaus is honest. The only reason I'm going to work right now is money... -B On 3/18/05 12:08 AM, "Jason" wrote: > > >>>> Electronic Shadows: Your nine albums with Pete Namlook, The Dark Side >>>> of the Moog, should they be seen as some kind of musical humour, a >>>> tribute to Pink Floyd, or what? >>>> >>>> Klaus Schulze: Money. >>> >>> Ya, I was a bit disappointed to see that kind of answer. A bit >> shallow. >>> I hope PK doesn't feel the same. >> >> Are we sure this wasn't a stab at some kind of ironic humor? After all >> the >> song "Money" appears on the Dark Side of the Moon album. > > Remember the Beck's beer commercial from a few years back when the > German fella is attempting stand-up comedy...and it horribly flops? The > marketing line was "Germans are known for great beer, not stand-up > comedy" or something along those lines. My point? I think he (Klaus) > was probably being succinct and not witty in his reply. Who knows > though. Just a few cents to add to this thread. > > Jason > From lx at neurowerx.de Sat Mar 19 05:59:16 2005 From: lx at neurowerx.de (Alexander S.Kunz) Date: Sat Mar 19 05:59:24 2005 Subject: (fax) X review In-Reply-To: References: From Groove E-News #431: Message-ID: <1176602881.20050319115916@neurowerx.de> Hello Dave @ Fax Usa & everyone else 05-Mrz-2005 11:40, you wrote: > PETE NAMLOOK & KLAUS SCHULZE - DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG X (CD) Just listening to it for the first time, and as I reach Part IV, I thought I start typing along what my first impression is. This X, oh yes, its certainly different to IX. And that is a good thing - at least for me. :-) I have to admit, I find Pete Namlook's voice in the opener pretty bad. He has that typical hessian-german accent, it was cool in "Gebirge" on FoO somehow, but here... hmmmm... I know that accent (being german and born in Hessen) and it does not work for me, because it amuses me too much to hear it. Glad that its mangled by some heavy effects (pitch shifting and whatnot). The Parts I thru III are floating around spacious, minimal, even isolated at times, very "untypical" for a DSOTM album, very good stuff! Part IV returns to the more classical sequencing and you clearly hear the Schulze touch here - and you know me from my previous comments, thats were it gets a bit boring for me (I mean, the pads & chords are spacious, lush and expansive... which means... same procedure as last release... same procedure as every release - I beg your pardon). Part V starts with incredibly beautiful glassy pad sounds, some howling background noises, an intense feeling of drifting lost in space, loneliness... - WOW, this is really really good & gives me goose bumps. Finally, Part VI, guitar on a massive bed of fat analogue pads, the only problem is, its going nowhere, it doesn't "close the book", literally spoken, it just ends at some point, poof, thats it. Leaves me unsatisfied. Summary after the first impression: I definitely like it more than #9. Those who declared #9 the holy grail of the DSOTM series, well, judge for yourself. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: "Astro Know Me Domina (Part IV)" by The Dark Side Of The Moog from the album 'The Dark Side Of The Moog X' From dakota.boo at pop3.hiway.co.uk Sun Mar 20 04:23:44 2005 From: dakota.boo at pop3.hiway.co.uk (Dakota) Date: Sun Mar 20 04:23:53 2005 Subject: (fax) FA: Live at Sel i/s/c, Second Nature, Moog V Message-ID: <20050320091025.80F1085ACF4@mail1.monkey.org> Just a few hours remaining . ATOM HEART - Live at Sel i/s/c (FAX PS08/41, NAMLOOK) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &category=1577&item=4709974296 ATOM HEART/TETSU INOUE - Second Nature (FAX PS08/78) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &category=1577&item=4709974332 PETE NAMLOOK - Dark Side of the Moog V (FAX PK08/123) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &category=1577&item=4709974362 Email: dakota.boo@pop3.hiway.co.uk Web page: http://boo.hiway.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://monkeymail.org/archives/faxlist/attachments/20050320/18ca9077/attachment-0001.htm From andre at sansserifgrafik.com Sun Mar 20 08:31:47 2005 From: andre at sansserifgrafik.com (Andre Ruello) Date: Sun Mar 20 08:32:08 2005 Subject: (fax) Koolfang III art Message-ID: <350088bb762c255c9acfa1eab8247404@sansserifgrafik.com> in response to: What's up with the cover art on the new Koolfang 3 (as seen on the PDF)? Is PK trying to give us some shock treatment, or maybe his SO felt it was payback time for Air 4? ;-) Hey, it made me just realize that I don't think there's ever been a single female (that we knew of) on this list. If your market is 99% male, you usually don't want to put a naked guy on the cover of the album. It sure won't be one I'll be leaving out on the coffee table or some pals might get the wrong idea. I come from the world of computers and in computers it's hard enough to find "girl nerds" -- the field is still 95% dominated by males -- but it seems I've found an even more male-dominated subject: FAX. Strange, but true? >>> it is a woman. dickhead. >>> + sansserifgrafik ---------------------- w. www.sansserifgrafik.com e. andre@sansserifgrafik.com f. +61 414 611 635 From Organicnavel at aol.com Sun Mar 20 10:22:21 2005 From: Organicnavel at aol.com (Organicnavel@aol.com) Date: Sun Mar 20 10:22:38 2005 Subject: (fax) Koolfang III art Message-ID: <1FBB2A82.73F7C27B.3728E355@aol.com> I'm sorry, but insulting list members is not acceptable. I doesn't matter if you happen to be the the "Fax cover artist" or not. At first glance, which is about all I gave the "pdf", I have to admit that I thought it was a guy, not that it matters either way. Andre, you happened to insult a pro-active member of this list who I think is or is close to being a completist. In other words he is one of a small group of people [1000-2000] that keep you in work at Fax. Thank you for pointing out that the person on the Koolfang 3 cover is a woman, but please keep your insults to yourself. Mark From mercuryvapor at yahoo.com Sun Mar 20 11:11:39 2005 From: mercuryvapor at yahoo.com (John Whitney) Date: Sun Mar 20 11:11:41 2005 Subject: (fax) Koolfang III art In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050320161139.49654.qmail@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Organicnavel@aol.com wrote: > I'm sorry, but insulting list members is not > acceptable. I took it as a joking jab. Maybe people need to lighten up? John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ambient at vanleeuwen.to Sun Mar 20 11:24:19 2005 From: ambient at vanleeuwen.to (Ambient) Date: Sun Mar 20 11:24:26 2005 Subject: (fax) Koolfang 3 art In-Reply-To: <20050318040930.GA23563@pog.tecnopolis.ca> Message-ID: <20050320161056.CD74885ACE2@mail1.monkey.org> Maybe you should switch to being bi or homosexual or are you already too homophobic? >NIL; "We are the Knights who say... NI!" -----Original Message----- From: faxlist-bounces@2350.org [mailto:faxlist-bounces@2350.org] On Behalf Of Trevor Cordes Sent: vrijdag 18 maart 2005 5:10 To: Fax List Subject: (fax) Koolfang 3 art What's up with the cover art on the new Koolfang 3 (as seen on the PDF)? Is PK trying to give us some shock treatment, or maybe his SO felt it was payback time for Air 4? ;-) Hey, it made me just realize that I don't think there's ever been a single female (that we knew of) on this list. If your market is 99% male, you usually don't want to put a naked guy on the cover of the album. It sure won't be one I'll be leaving out on the coffee table or some pals might get the wrong idea. I come from the world of computers and in computers it's hard enough to find "girl nerds" -- the field is still 95% dominated by males -- but it seems I've found an even more male-dominated subject: FAX. Strange, but true? _______________________________________________ faxlist mailing list faxlist@2350.org http://2350.org/mailman/listinfo/faxlist From andre at sansserifgrafik.com Sun Mar 20 16:31:33 2005 From: andre at sansserifgrafik.com (Andre Ruello) Date: Sun Mar 20 16:31:52 2005 Subject: (fax) Koolfang III art In-Reply-To: References: <1FBB2A82.73F7C27B.3728E355@aol.com> Message-ID: hey, this is the internet, you posted your thoughts about my art, im posting my thoughts about you. thats how it works. you admit you gave the art a simple "first glance" from the PDF then decided to share your insights with the list.. i read your post and now here are my insights... you're a dickhead.... . i dont speak with any authority here. its not my list, or namlooks.. its totally independant.. so if i want to call you a dickhead or a fool or whatever. then i will.. if i get banned for off topic, offensive mail. so be it. while i may insult you with my texts. you insult me with your ignorance. On 21/03/2005, at 08:20, Andre Ruello wrote: > > On 21/03/2005, at 02:22, Organicnavel@aol.com wrote: > >> I'm sorry, but insulting list members is not acceptable. I doesn't >> matter if you happen to be the the "Fax cover artist" or not. >> At first glance, which is about all I gave the "pdf", I have to admit >> that I thought it was a guy, not that it matters either way. >> Andre, you happened to insult a pro-active member of this list who I >> think is or is close to being a completist. In other words he is one >> of a small group of people [1000-2000] that keep you in work at Fax. > > keep me in work at fax? do you have Any idea about what you're talking > about at all? do you know anything at all about the label and how it > is run? i dont think so. > > > > > >> Thank you for pointing out that the person on the Koolfang 3 cover is >> a woman, but please keep your insults to yourself. >> > > > + sansserifgrafik ---------------------- w. www.sansserifgrafik.com e. andre@sansserifgrafik.com f. +61 414 611 635 From ambient at vanleeuwen.to Sun Mar 20 16:39:53 2005 From: ambient at vanleeuwen.to (Ambient) Date: Sun Mar 20 16:39:59 2005 Subject: (fax) Koolfang III art In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050320212628.DBA0F85AE58@mail1.monkey.org> Ah so the internet is a kinda free shrink session, cool, got any thoughts about me? H "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." -----Original Message----- From: faxlist-bounces@2350.org [mailto:faxlist-bounces@2350.org] On Behalf Of Andre Ruello Sent: zondag 20 maart 2005 22:32 To: Fax List Cc: Organicnavel@aol.com Subject: Re: (fax) Koolfang III art hey, this is the internet, you posted your thoughts about my art, im posting my thoughts about you. thats how it works. you admit you gave the art a simple "first glance" from the PDF then decided to share your insights with the list.. i read your post and now here are my insights... you're a dickhead.... . i dont speak with any authority here. its not my list, or namlooks.. its totally independant.. so if i want to call you a dickhead or a fool or whatever. then i will.. if i get banned for off topic, offensive mail. so be it. while i may insult you with my texts. you insult me with your ignorance. On 21/03/2005, at 08:20, Andre Ruello wrote: > > On 21/03/2005, at 02:22, Organicnavel@aol.com wrote: > >> I'm sorry, but insulting list members is not acceptable. I doesn't >> matter if you happen to be the the "Fax cover artist" or not. >> At first glance, which is about all I gave the "pdf", I have to admit >> that I thought it was a guy, not that it matters either way. >> Andre, you happened to insult a pro-active member of this list who I >> think is or is close to being a completist. In other words he is one >> of a small group of people [1000-2000] that keep you in work at Fax. > > keep me in work at fax? do you have Any idea about what you're talking > about at all? do you know anything at all about the label and how it > is run? i dont think so. > > > > > >> Thank you for pointing out that the person on the Koolfang 3 cover is >> a woman, but please keep your insults to yourself. >> > > > + sansserifgrafik ---------------------- w. www.sansserifgrafik.com e. andre@sansserifgrafik.com f. +61 414 611 635 _______________________________________________ faxlist mailing list faxlist@2350.org http://2350.org/mailman/listinfo/faxlist From brian at lists.frickster.net Sun Mar 20 16:41:54 2005 From: brian at lists.frickster.net (Brian) Date: Sun Mar 20 16:42:00 2005 Subject: (fax) Hot tempers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wow. And I think that if you represent Pete's label, then you have some responsibility to do it in a tasteful way -- at least I'd expect that if you were working for me. If you were representing me and my company and you insulted someone by calling him a "dickhead", you'd be fired. Immediately. People make mistakes. Obviously someone made a mistake. Relax. Hot tempers and irrational name calling won't get us anywhere. My 2?. -Brian On 3/20/05 3:31 PM, "Andre Ruello" wrote: > hey, > this is the internet, > you posted your thoughts about my art, im posting my thoughts about > you. thats how it works. > > you admit you gave the art a simple "first glance" from the PDF then > decided to share your insights with the list.. > > i read your post and now here are my insights... you're a dickhead.... . > > i dont speak with any authority here. its not my list, or namlooks.. > its totally independant.. so if i want to call you a dickhead or a fool > or whatever. then i will.. > > if i get banned for off topic, offensive mail. so be it. > > while i may insult you with my texts. you insult me with your ignorance. From joey at etherworld.com Sun Mar 20 16:45:36 2005 From: joey at etherworld.com (Joe Rapoza) Date: Sun Mar 20 16:45:45 2005 Subject: (fax) Koolfang III art In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you want to insult one another could you please do it off-list? Thanks, Joe On 3/20/05 1:31 PM, "Andre Ruello" wrote: > hey, > this is the internet, > you posted your thoughts about my art, im posting my thoughts about > you. thats how it works. > > you admit you gave the art a simple "first glance" from the PDF then > decided to share your insights with the list.. > > i read your post and now here are my insights... you're a dickhead.... . > > i dont speak with any authority here. its not my list, or namlooks.. > its totally independant.. so if i want to call you a dickhead or a fool > or whatever. then i will.. > > if i get banned for off topic, offensive mail. so be it. > > while i may insult you with my texts. you insult me with your ignorance. > > > > > On 21/03/2005, at 08:20, Andre Ruello wrote: > >> >> On 21/03/2005, at 02:22, Organicnavel@aol.com wrote: >> >>> I'm sorry, but insulting list members is not acceptable. I doesn't >>> matter if you happen to be the the "Fax cover artist" or not. >>> At first glance, which is about all I gave the "pdf", I have to admit >>> that I thought it was a guy, not that it matters either way. >>> Andre, you happened to insult a pro-active member of this list who I >>> think is or is close to being a completist. In other words he is one >>> of a small group of people [1000-2000] that keep you in work at Fax. >> >> keep me in work at fax? do you have Any idea about what you're talking >> about at all? do you know anything at all about the label and how it >> is run? i dont think so. >> >> >> >> >> >>> Thank you for pointing out that the person on the Koolfang 3 cover is >>> a woman, but please keep your insults to yourself. >>> >> >> >> > > > > + sansserifgrafik > ---------------------- > w. www.sansserifgrafik.com > e. andre@sansserifgrafik.com > f. +61 414 611 635 > > _______________________________________________ > faxlist mailing list > faxlist@2350.org > http://2350.org/mailman/listinfo/faxlist > > From lx at neurowerx.de Sun Mar 20 16:53:31 2005 From: lx at neurowerx.de (Alexander S.Kunz) Date: Sun Mar 20 16:53:35 2005 Subject: (fax) Koolfang III art In-Reply-To: References: <1FBB2A82.73F7C27B.3728E355@aol.com> Message-ID: <279582385.20050320225331@neurowerx.de> Hello Andre Ruello & everyone else 20-Mrz-2005 22:31, you wrote: > i dont speak with any authority here. its not my list, or namlooks.. > its totally independant.. so if i want to call you a dickhead or a fool > or whatever. then i will.. Well, some have learned how to behave, others haven't... you've left zero doubt who hasn't. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: "Art of Dream" by Pete Namlook & Tetsu Inoue from the album '2350 Broadway II' From ambient at nycap.rr.com Sun Mar 20 18:01:26 2005 From: ambient at nycap.rr.com (jackthetab) Date: Sun Mar 20 18:01:33 2005 Subject: (fax) koolfang III art and a repost of the pdf file please Message-ID: <001301c52da0$bf4b7d60$cb01a8c0@ambient> i missed this war about the koolfang art. i rarely read the posts here, because frankly, this list is becoming an elitist list. anyways, i am not sure what people find wrong with the artwork of koolfang III. this is by far not the worst cover i have seen on fax. i too thought it was a male, but then again, i only saw the small thumbnail picture on 2350.org and not the pdf file. can someone point me to the pdf file? ps -the funny thing is, i got reprimanded several times, and threatened to be booted for name calling...and everyone else gets a free ride. kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ http://jackthetab.deviantart.com/ From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Sun Mar 20 20:04:43 2005 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Sun Mar 20 20:04:50 2005 Subject: (fax) Koolfang III art In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200503210104.j2L14hjk011170@pog.tecnopolis.ca> > i read your post and now here are my insights... you're a dickhead.... . You're welcome to your 2 cents, though vulgarity is hardly called for. I don't recall ever using vulgar insults on this list in order to get my point across. Resorting to such expletives is usually a sign of a lack of any real argument or real thought into the matter; mental laziness if you will. > while i may insult you with my texts. you insult me with your ignorance. Keep in mind Adre: a) we are just looking at the low-rez PDF image, whereas you have the advantage of seeing the high-rez original (and probably working with it a for along period of time) b) you may even have taken the photo? or know who the model is? c) I'm obviously not the only one who at first glance thought it was a guy. I'm looking at the PDF again now and it still looks like a guy to me, but it is slightly ambiguous I guess. If you reread my original post (quoted below), you'll see that I was making a light-hearted poke at the fact I thought it was a guy. I never said it was bad. In fact, I thought it was rather gutsy of FAX to be somewhat controversial (within the mostly-male FAX audience) if it *had* been a guy. I just wanted to start a dialogue on the art, which I seem to have succeeded at! And why is it that everytime someone mentions something remotely involving the sexes today that you instantly get labelled as a homophobe or sexist? I guess discussing such matters is too taboo. On 17 Mar 2005, Trevor Cordes wrote: > What's up with the cover art on the new Koolfang 3 (as seen on the PDF)? > Is PK trying to give us some shock treatment, or maybe his SO felt it was > payback time for Air 4? ;-) From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Sun Mar 20 20:12:53 2005 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Sun Mar 20 20:13:01 2005 Subject: (fax) Koolfang III art In-Reply-To: <1FBB2A82.73F7C27B.3728E355@aol.com> Message-ID: <200503210112.j2L1CrRF011341@pog.tecnopolis.ca> On 20 Mar, Organicnavel@aol.com wrote: > I'm sorry, but insulting list members is not acceptable. I doesn't > matter if you happen to be the the "Fax cover artist" or not. At Thanks for the support, Mark. I'm surprised at the response I got too :-) I won't stop buying FAX CD's because of a cover artist's comments. However, the more I think about it the more I think that you are correct; vendors/producers/sellers/etc in general should not ever insult their customers. I don't insult my customers in my field of work (or I'd be out of business!). If I feel my customers are ignorant in a subject then I will explain things to them so they are not ignorant. I've never called one a "dickhead"! NOW, that said, if PK were to come on the list an call me a "dickhead" for what I said in my original post, then I might think differently about continuing to support FAX. But somehow I don't think PK is that kind of guy. > or is close to being a completist. In other words he is one of a small I need just 1 more CD to have the complete collection... which the missing CD is would probably surprise you! From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Sun Mar 20 20:15:44 2005 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Sun Mar 20 20:15:52 2005 Subject: (fax) Hot tempers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200503210115.j2L1Fi9c011353@pog.tecnopolis.ca> On 20 Mar, Brian wrote: > > If you were representing me and my company and you insulted someone by > calling him a "dickhead", you'd be fired. Immediately. Exactly. From kracker at krackmonster.com Sun Mar 20 20:21:50 2005 From: kracker at krackmonster.com (Krackmonster) Date: Sun Mar 20 20:21:52 2005 Subject: (fax) Koolfang III art In-Reply-To: <279582385.20050320225331@neurowerx.de> References: <1FBB2A82.73F7C27B.3728E355@aol.com> <279582385.20050320225331@neurowerx.de> Message-ID: <1165531753.20050320192150@krackmonster.com> Don't know what the fuss is about really. I like the artwork used for the recent output from Fax and assume its purpose is to describe the music therein. Given the style that Namlook is trying push with the new Koolfang, I felt the erotic image fit quite well. As an artist myself, I don't blame Andre that much. To me, having your art totally misinterpreted like that is far worse than simply being called a dickhead. At least you can just ignore the brief profanity instead of dealing with the idea that your work for some reason or another got the totally wrong msseage across to your target audience. Or maybe I'm just confused because I seem to be the only one who recognized the subject on the pdf cover as a woman right off. Eric From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Sun Mar 20 20:23:00 2005 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Sun Mar 20 20:23:08 2005 Subject: (fax) koolfang III art and a repost of the pdf file please In-Reply-To: <001301c52da0$bf4b7d60$cb01a8c0@ambient> Message-ID: <200503210123.j2L1N0PR011542@pog.tecnopolis.ca> On 20 Mar, jackthetab wrote: > > anyways, i am not sure what people find wrong with > the artwork of koolfang III. this is by far not the > worst cover i have seen on fax. That's the funny part, no one has said anything bad about the art at all! Not me or anyone who follwed-up. I won't pass judgement on the art overall until I see the real inlay in my hands when I get my next FAX shipment from Ear/R. > i too thought it was > a male, but then again, i only saw the small thumbnail > picture on 2350.org and not the pdf file. can someone point me to the pdf > file? I've put it on my web site: http://www.tecnopolis.ca/ebay/PK08169iuk.pdf No wonder it's so ambiguous: the PDF including picture and text and PDF overhead is only 53k! I should have made it more clear, the PDF was posted to Ear/R's FAX USA mailing list, not to the 2350 faxlist. I often forget to differentiate between the two, and many people here are probably on both lists anyways. > ps -the funny thing is, i got reprimanded several times, and threatened to > be booted for name calling...and everyone else gets a free ride. I think Warren is probably just behind in his emails. I suspect we'll here something from him, especially if we don't come to some resolution by ourselves ;-) From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Sun Mar 20 20:47:32 2005 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Mon Mar 21 00:49:02 2005 Subject: (fax) Koolfang III art In-Reply-To: <1165531753.20050320192150@krackmonster.com> Message-ID: <200503210147.j2L1lWPG011897@pog.tecnopolis.ca> On 20 Mar, Krackmonster wrote: > > To me, having > your art totally misinterpreted like that is far worse than simply being > called a dickhead. I can accept that. I will be really surprised if the intention was NOT to be somewhat ambiguous. I too at very first glance thought it was a woman (because album art so often is of females and is rarely of males), but then realized that it looked more like a muscular, fit man with long hair -- a "chippendales" type motif. I thought that PK and/or the cover artist were making some sort of statement (aren't all artists supposedly always trying to make a statement?) by not putting on the typical Air 4-like, obviously-sexy female. Maybe it looks cut & dried obviously-female on the final product -- but from the PDF that's the impression I got. Go look at the pdf link I just posted and you be the judge. If 90% of the listmembers think it's a man or aren't immediately certain, then I think it's fair to call the (PDF) cover ambiguous and hence my original post asking "what's up with this?" is understandable, no? From lx at neurowerx.de Mon Mar 21 01:08:30 2005 From: lx at neurowerx.de (Alexander S.Kunz) Date: Mon Mar 21 01:08:34 2005 Subject: (fax) koolfang III art and a repost of the pdf file please In-Reply-To: <001301c52da0$bf4b7d60$cb01a8c0@ambient> References: <001301c52da0$bf4b7d60$cb01a8c0@ambient> Message-ID: <1954250267.20050321070830@neurowerx.de> Hello Jackthetab & everyone else 21-Mrz-2005 00:01, you wrote: > picture on 2350.org and not the pdf file. can someone point me to the pdf > file? http://www.namlook.de (the rest of the site is linked to the site at hyperreal.org though) or, to be more precise, http://www.namlook.de/PK08169iuk.pdf :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like bananas. From lx at neurowerx.de Mon Mar 21 01:15:21 2005 From: lx at neurowerx.de (Alexander S.Kunz) Date: Mon Mar 21 01:15:23 2005 Subject: (fax) koolfang III art and a repost of the pdf file please In-Reply-To: <001301c52da0$bf4b7d60$cb01a8c0@ambient> References: <001301c52da0$bf4b7d60$cb01a8c0@ambient> Message-ID: <1777236080.20050321071521@neurowerx.de> Hello Jackthetab & everyone else 21-Mrz-2005 00:01, you wrote: > i too thought it was a male I showed it to my girlfriend, as even she wasn't entirely sure. :-) Btw. (to get back to the "music" topic at last) what were the other Koolfang CDs like? Is it worth to buy it, if you regard me as a more "traditional" ambient listener (prefer pads & environment over clicks & pops) that also plays some lounge & chillout stuff (Sushi Club and the like) sometimes? Thanks -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Till now man has been up against nature; from now on he will be up against his own nature. -- Dennis Gabor From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Mon Mar 21 01:31:28 2005 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Mon Mar 21 01:31:38 2005 Subject: (fax) other Koolfangs In-Reply-To: <1777236080.20050321071521@neurowerx.de> Message-ID: <200503210631.j2L6VSjt016523@pog.tecnopolis.ca> On 21 Mar, Alexander S.Kunz wrote: > > Btw. (to get back to the "music" topic at last) what were the other > Koolfang CDs like? Is it worth to buy it, if you regard me as a more > "traditional" ambient listener (prefer pads & environment over clicks & > pops) that also plays some lounge & chillout stuff (Sushi Club and the > like) sometimes? I'm not a huge jazz/lounge fan either, and I absolutely love KF2 Gig in the Sky's track 1. Pete's guitar is soooo smooth and the tune will stick in your head for days. The vocals are a tiny bit distracting, but not bad, and they do kind of fit in with the mood. Does anyone know who it is? The rest of the album is ok, reminds me of some of the less stellar MoveD/Nam moments. It certainly is different from, say, 2350 BW, in terms of style! Strange, but KF1 Jambient never really did much for me. I give it only an average rating. Pleasant at best. Too random, but I guess that's jazz. Jambient fetches decent money on ebay ($30-$40) but Gig is usually pretty cheap if you want to snap it up. From warren at lapham.org Mon Mar 21 02:09:32 2005 From: warren at lapham.org (Warren Lapham) Date: Mon Mar 21 02:09:38 2005 Subject: (fax) koolfang III art In-Reply-To: <001301c52da0$bf4b7d60$cb01a8c0@ambient> References: <001301c52da0$bf4b7d60$cb01a8c0@ambient> Message-ID: <2655ca9aba4cc29b0a044d6dc709c906@lapham.org> I, your list administrator, am never in front of my computer enough to reprimand people on the spot for dodgy behavior. It a task that has no appeal to me whatsoever. But since I am in India on an extended business trip, possibly through June, I'm in front of my computer less often than usual and also much less inclined to be a heavy. FWIW, I've seen a lot of insults worse than "dickhead" on the internets. I also think it's unreasonable to hold someone whom I assume is a contracted artist for a tiny, boutique record label to the same standards as a full-time employee of a larger company. The intent and tone of the original message weren't entirely clear (and neither was the gender of the person on the cover to me, at least initially), so it's not entirely surprising that things escalated. Even so, the public insults should stop, now, especially now that all relevant parties have made their positions known. w. From ambient at vanleeuwen.to Mon Mar 21 02:19:56 2005 From: ambient at vanleeuwen.to (Ambient) Date: Mon Mar 21 02:20:02 2005 Subject: (fax) Cover Art In General In-Reply-To: <2655ca9aba4cc29b0a044d6dc709c906@lapham.org> Message-ID: <20050321070630.BCAB585AC56@mail1.monkey.org> I don't know if this has ever been asked before (probably has) but what do "we" all consider the greatest fax cover artwork until now? I personally have yet to see any really good fax cover art and in a top 10 at least the numbers 1-5 are unfilled. I really appreciate a nice booklet with a cd, this (besides the audio quality) is an important factor to choose for buy instead of download. H... "As I fell into the water. I slipped and broke my aura." From cvon at telus.net Mon Mar 21 02:52:51 2005 From: cvon at telus.net (Christian von Ompteda) Date: Mon Mar 21 02:52:01 2005 Subject: (fax) FAX art - do we need nudes to sell this ambient magic? In-Reply-To: References: <1FBB2A82.73F7C27B.3728E355@aol.com> Message-ID: <423E7D53.2060102@telus.net> I hate to jump in on such a controversial topic - or not. Whether or not this is a woman or not, to me, is not the issue. The issue is about whether or not this is quality cover art for a new FAX release. After the AW release of Air 4, and the continuing trivialization of FAX cover art, I have to ask myself what the point is. Yeah, great, muscular woman, muscular man, whatever - the point that gets me is that there's something semi-naked on the cover of my next FAX release that frankly doesn't appeal to me aesthetically no matter what sex he/she is. Call me a traditionallist (and you may well), but I like my artwork with the type of designs we've seen in the past - something obscure - something mysterious. Sublabel releases with the circle with something random in it - PK or PW releases with a picture that at least relates to the music or at least makes some sort of sense. Naked chicks and multiculour backings on sublabel releases, well, maybe I'm just too staid, but I can't say that I'm enjoying it - Hell, I can't say that I enjoyed the move from any of the circular pictures to the full covers period. The point of Namlook's philosophy was to give us something that we would understand and tie to the releases - colour coded CD backs, codified covers and styles that would define what he does and what FAX is. Do I want something naked on my FAX cover art - well, not really. It cheapens the seemingly esoteric art of the label and removes the strength of what I consider to be a label that doesn't need slinky artwork to sell it's quality. I'm already sold - don't creep me out with some cheap nudie shots. Andre - I have seen your site and recognize that you are both an artist and a design talent - please recognize that talent doesn't mean haven't to put your own stamp on a brand that has already sold it's strongest followers - and also please understand that snapping at us and providing a big "f*ck off" to some of the strongest supporters of the FAX label whether it's Mark, Trevor or anyone else is not only insulting, but childish. Don't let your pride about your art interfere with our enjoyment - most of us have been collecting this longer than you have been providing artwork for Namlook. That said, I'll still buy a copy of this release - even if only because I'm on a FAX subscription service - simply because it's Namlook. I guess I must have just missed the point that the covers now need to be edgy enough to attract us to buying the music - I thought that the music itself already did that? Of course - if the next FAX CD is total shite, I'll understand why Andre had to put a nude on it, but somehow, just somehow, I really expect more from Namlook than that. cheers, Christian. Andre Ruello wrote: > hey, > this is the internet, > you posted your thoughts about my art, im posting my thoughts about > you. thats how it works. > > you admit you gave the art a simple "first glance" from the PDF then > decided to share your insights with the list.. > > i read your post and now here are my insights... you're a dickhead.... . > > i dont speak with any authority here. its not my list, or namlooks.. > its totally independant.. so if i want to call you a dickhead or a > fool or whatever. then i will.. > > if i get banned for off topic, offensive mail. so be it. > > while i may insult you with my texts. you insult me with your ignorance. > > > > > On 21/03/2005, at 08:20, Andre Ruello wrote: > >> >> On 21/03/2005, at 02:22, Organicnavel@aol.com wrote: >> >>> I'm sorry, but insulting list members is not acceptable. I doesn't >>> matter if you happen to be the the "Fax cover artist" or not. >>> At first glance, which is about all I gave the "pdf", I have to >>> admit that I thought it was a guy, not that it matters either way. >>> Andre, you happened to insult a pro-active member of this list who I >>> think is or is close to being a completist. In other words he is one >>> of a small group of people [1000-2000] that keep you in work at Fax. >> >> >> keep me in work at fax? do you have Any idea about what you're >> talking about at all? do you know anything at all about the label and >> how it is run? i dont think so. >> >> >> >> >> >>> Thank you for pointing out that the person on the Koolfang 3 cover >>> is a woman, but please keep your insults to yourself. >>> >> >> >> > > > > + sansserifgrafik > ---------------------- > w. www.sansserifgrafik.com > e. andre@sansserifgrafik.com > f. +61 414 611 635 > > _______________________________________________ > faxlist mailing list > faxlist@2350.org > http://2350.org/mailman/listinfo/faxlist > From andre at sansserifgrafik.com Mon Mar 21 03:17:48 2005 From: andre at sansserifgrafik.com (Andre Ruello) Date: Mon Mar 21 03:18:13 2005 Subject: (fax) The last word In-Reply-To: <423E7D53.2060102@telus.net> References: <1FBB2A82.73F7C27B.3728E355@aol.com> <423E7D53.2060102@telus.net> Message-ID: <1e47dc4bd69e19796e9570113a3657db@sansserifgrafik.com> To set the record straight, the koolfang III artwork concept and photo were all the work of Namlook.. i spent about 45 seconds setting some type. so for those experts out there who like to second guess what actaully goes on behind the scenes and claim some kind of moral high ground becuase you've been collecting the CDs since day one remember this. Its namlooks label. not yours. i dont care how many fax releases you own. if you're going to say things like this: "If your market is 99% male, you usually don't want to put a naked guy on the cover of the album. It sure won't be one I'll be leaving out on the coffee table or some pals might get the wrong idea." I will think you're a fool. and im not alone.. If you're so convinced you know whats best for fax and know what namlook should do next, why dont you tell him, instead of the list. here is his email: pete@namlook.de From bruno.fierens at pandora.be Mon Mar 21 03:30:48 2005 From: bruno.fierens at pandora.be (Bruno Fierens) Date: Mon Mar 21 03:30:36 2005 Subject: (fax) Cover Art In General In-Reply-To: <20050321070630.BCAB585AC56@mail1.monkey.org> Message-ID: <20050321083028.B89EA328447@astra.telenet-ops.be> > I don't know if this has ever been asked before (probably > has) but what do > "we" all consider the greatest fax cover artwork until now? For me, the greatness of the artwork *was* coherence and the fact it made FAX so recognizable and different, same colors black or blue, the circles, the FAX font... A sort of same effect was and is still reached with the em:t series. The new style is OK for me, the music counts after all, but for me it lost its magic. bruno http://www.freestylegrooves.com From lx at neurowerx.de Mon Mar 21 11:36:39 2005 From: lx at neurowerx.de (Alexander S.Kunz) Date: Mon Mar 21 11:36:44 2005 Subject: (fax) other Koolfangs In-Reply-To: <200503210631.j2L6VSjt016523@pog.tecnopolis.ca> References: <1777236080.20050321071521@neurowerx.de> <200503210631.j2L6VSjt016523@pog.tecnopolis.ca> Message-ID: <357805392.20050321173639@neurowerx.de> Hello Trevor Cordes & everyone else 21-Mrz-2005 07:31, you wrote: > I'm not a huge jazz/lounge fan either, and I absolutely love KF2 Gig in > the Sky's track 1. Pete's guitar is soooo smooth and the tune will > stick in your head for days. Is it similar to Virtual Vices IV maybe? I found that one very nice. Laid back, relaxed, veeeeery cool. Track 3 "We don't mind the rain" is damn funky as well. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) You're in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. What would you like to do? From lx at neurowerx.de Mon Mar 21 11:39:59 2005 From: lx at neurowerx.de ('Alexander S.Kunz') Date: Mon Mar 21 11:40:01 2005 Subject: (fax) Fires of Ork ...promo?!? Message-ID: <11610056404.20050321173959@neurowerx.de> Hello everyone, http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=4711995396&rd=1&ssPageName=WD2V ...can this be genuine? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) From joey at etherworld.com Mon Mar 21 12:46:15 2005 From: joey at etherworld.com (joey@etherworld.com) Date: Mon Mar 21 12:46:39 2005 Subject: (fax) Fires of Ork ...promo?!? Message-ID: <164880-220053121174615622@M2W046.mail2web.com> The only Fax promo I've ever seen (and own :) ) is one that was released for distributors back in '96 or '97. It contained a blue CD in a plastic sleeve, no jewel box or artwork. It says promo only on it. I'll dig up the track listing and scan the disc and post sometime later this week. -Joe Original Message: ----------------- From: Alexander S.Kunz lx@neurowerx.de Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:39:59 +0100 To: faxlist@2350.org Subject: (fax) Fires of Ork ...promo?!? Hello everyone, http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=307&item=4711995396&rd=1&ssPageName=WD2V ...can this be genuine? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) _______________________________________________ faxlist mailing list faxlist@2350.org http://2350.org/mailman/listinfo/faxlist -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From joey at etherworld.com Mon Mar 21 12:48:46 2005 From: joey at etherworld.com (joey@etherworld.com) Date: Mon Mar 21 12:49:03 2005 Subject: (fax) Fires of Ork ...promo?!? Message-ID: <410-220053121174846739@M2W099.mail2web.com> i also meant to say that the promo listed on ebay could be a promo of the R&S licensed version: THE FIRES OF ORK - THE FIRES OF ORK - APOLLO (1994) - CD AMB 3928 CD Barcode: 541165916928C -Joe Original Message: ----------------- From: joey@etherworld.com joey@etherworld.com Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:46:15 -0500 To: lx@neurowerx.de, faxlist@2350.org Subject: RE: (fax) Fires of Ork ...promo?!? The only Fax promo I've ever seen (and own :) ) is one that was released for distributors back in '96 or '97. It contained a blue CD in a plastic sleeve, no jewel box or artwork. It says promo only on it. I'll dig up the track listing and scan the disc and post sometime later this week. -Joe Original Message: ----------------- From: Alexander S.Kunz lx@neurowerx.de Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:39:59 +0100 To: faxlist@2350.org Subject: (fax) Fires of Ork ...promo?!? Hello everyone, http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=307&item=4711995396&rd=1&ssPageName=WD2V ...can this be genuine? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) _______________________________________________ faxlist mailing list faxlist@2350.org http://2350.org/mailman/listinfo/faxlist -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ faxlist mailing list faxlist@2350.org http://2350.org/mailman/listinfo/faxlist -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From sanvara at cox.net Mon Mar 21 12:41:04 2005 From: sanvara at cox.net (sanvara@cox.net) Date: Mon Mar 21 12:53:56 2005 Subject: (fax) Fires of Ork ...promo?!? References: <11610056404.20050321173959@neurowerx.de> Message-ID: <000c01c52e3d$2a922230$6401a8c0@dell4550> I'm sure it probably is. I noticed he didn't say which label it's on. R&S/Apollo re-released the first Fires of Ork and it's certainly very possible they created promotional copies for airplay or whatever. Could be a Fax promo as well, but an R&S/Apollo promo seems more likely. > Hello everyone, > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=4711995396&rd=1&ssPageName=WD2V > > ...can this be genuine? From Organicnavel at aol.com Mon Mar 21 13:26:35 2005 From: Organicnavel at aol.com (Organicnavel@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 21 13:26:47 2005 Subject: (fax) Fires of Ork ...promo?!? Message-ID: <35425F8D.08553A2A.3728E355@aol.com> Hello all, Yes it is possible that this cd is a Apollo/R&S promo. However, this seller has or is also listing a SoO 2 promo? To my knowledge FAX has released 3 promo cds - Silence, Ambient Compilation 2 and one disc from the Genetic Drift 2 cd set. All three of these cds were supplied in clear plastic sleeves and limited to 200 copies. Mark From dakota.boo at pop3.hiway.co.uk Mon Mar 21 16:32:20 2005 From: dakota.boo at pop3.hiway.co.uk (Dakota) Date: Mon Mar 21 16:32:28 2005 Subject: (fax) FA: Transonic 3 (PS08/81), Sad World 3 (PS08/82), Shades of Orion 3 (PW29) Message-ID: <20050321211850.09EEC85ADA5@mail1.monkey.org> Just listed . ROBERT MUSSO - Transonic 3 (FAX PS08/81, NAMLOOK) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &category=1577&item=4712838147 Dr ATMO/RAMIN - Sad World 3 (FAX PS08/82, NAMLOOK) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &category=1577&item=4712838214 PETE NAMLOOK/TETSU INOUE - Shades of Orion 3 (FAX PW29) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &category=1577&item=4712838275 Email: dakota.boo@pop3.hiway.co.uk Web page: http://boo.hiway.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://monkeymail.org/archives/faxlist/attachments/20050321/368e6298/attachment.htm From ambient at nycap.rr.com Mon Mar 21 18:41:55 2005 From: ambient at nycap.rr.com (jackthetab) Date: Mon Mar 21 18:42:01 2005 Subject: (fax) other Koolfangs References: <1777236080.20050321071521@neurowerx.de> <200503210631.j2L6VSjt016523@pog.tecnopolis.ca> <357805392.20050321173639@neurowerx.de> Message-ID: <001401c52e6f$91052c10$cb01a8c0@ambient> i find the koolfangs to be some of the more interesting albums released on fax. they are not the greatest works i have heard from namlook and the likes, but there are many worthy qualities in each. i certainly prefer "gig in the sky" over "jambient", although i enjoy throwing them into the cd changer every now and then. at times they are a little new agey, but they do grow on your mind and body. great chilled out, laid back music. i was not into jazz myself, but listening to these disc's propelled me to find some real jazz. kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ http://jackthetab.deviantart.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander S.Kunz" To: "Trevor on the Faxlist" Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 11:36 AM Subject: Re: (fax) other Koolfangs > Hello Trevor Cordes & everyone else > > 21-Mrz-2005 07:31, you wrote: > >> I'm not a huge jazz/lounge fan either, and I absolutely love KF2 Gig in >> the Sky's track 1. Pete's guitar is soooo smooth and the tune will >> stick in your head for days. > > Is it similar to Virtual Vices IV maybe? I found that one very nice. Laid > back, relaxed, veeeeery cool. Track 3 "We don't mind the rain" is damn > funky as well. > > -- > Best regards, > Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) > > You're in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. What would you > like to do? > > _______________________________________________ > faxlist mailing list > faxlist@2350.org > http://2350.org/mailman/listinfo/faxlist > From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Tue Mar 22 00:31:35 2005 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Tue Mar 22 00:31:42 2005 Subject: (fax) Fires of Ork ...promo?!? In-Reply-To: <11610056404.20050321173959@neurowerx.de> Message-ID: <200503220531.j2M5VZ7X011684@pog.tecnopolis.ca> On 21 Mar, 'Alexander S.Kunz' wrote: > Hello everyone, > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=4711995396&rd=1&ssPageName=WD2V > > ...can this be genuine? There's been a lot of "industry" and "promo" FAX stuff on ebay lately. I'm not sure if any of it is legit as it's all pretty new (like the "industry" one you link to above). It would be useful if namlook.de or 2350.org would post a "definitive" list of FAX promos so we can all know what's legit and what's not. Probably would need the help of PK. Maybe Dave @ Ear/R can help here? It would be in both their interests as indentifying pirated copies can help people ensure they are buying legit releases. From dave at faxlabelusa.com Tue Mar 22 00:33:50 2005 From: dave at faxlabelusa.com (Dave @ Fax USA (EAR/Rational Music)) Date: Tue Mar 22 00:33:59 2005 Subject: (fax) Fires of Ork ...promo?!? In-Reply-To: <200503220531.j2M5VZ7X011684@pog.tecnopolis.ca> References: <200503220531.j2M5VZ7X011684@pog.tecnopolis.ca> Message-ID: > On 21 Mar, 'Alexander S.Kunz' wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >> ViewItem&category=307&item=4711995396&rd=1&ssPageName=WD2V >> >> ...can this be genuine? > > There's been a lot of "industry" and "promo" FAX stuff on ebay lately. > I'm not sure if any of it is legit as it's all pretty new (like the > "industry" one you link to above). > > It would be useful if namlook.de or 2350.org would post a "definitive" > list of FAX promos so we can all know what's legit and what's not. > Probably would need the help of PK. Maybe Dave @ Ear/R can help here? > It would be in both their interests as indentifying pirated copies can > help people ensure they are buying legit releases. I asked Pete about this and he said he definitely didn't issue it, but he doesn't know about R&S. They may well have done it, and they wouldn't have told him about it since he licensed Fires of Ork to them. I emailed the seller, asking what label had issued the CD, and whether he could send a photo, and he did not reply. Dave From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Tue Mar 22 01:39:07 2005 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Tue Mar 22 01:39:14 2005 Subject: (fax) Sort of funny... OR NOT AS THE CASE MAY BE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200503220639.j2M6d74h012845@pog.tecnopolis.ca> On 18 Mar, Paul Milligan wrote: > > Don't be naive enough to believe that Fax still exists for purely aesthetic > reasons. On 18 Mar, Brian wrote: > You can't fault him for answering that way, either. If I recall correctly, > our own Pete Namlook is creating his music "to make a living" -- i.e., for > money. Yes, maybe I'm being naive, but I still like to believe in the original ethos of FAX as summed up on PK08/01's "if we ever have to compromise... that's the day we shut down the label" (quote may be inexact). To me that means "we're not going to do this JUST to sell out and make money, but of course if we make money in the process, so much the better". In fact, I hope PK and KS are making good money doing what they're doing! There's been talk in the past about how PK isn't getting "rich" off FAX, and I believe that. Whether or not PK is "sick" of doing it and is just doing it for "money" (as KS made it sound), is for PK to tell us, I guess. It may be the truth (or not), but it's not necessarily something your "public" wants to hear. >> Or maybe it just goes to prove that KS really is just throwing old >> material lying around at PK to mix into something cool, without (KS) >> expending much effort. > > You have taken a single word response from KS and expanded it into something > that is a highly subjective interpretation. I was mainly referring to what many people have mentioned on this list especially regarding DSotM 9 and how it sounded like some previously release KS stuff. Not being a KS expert, I'll have to leave that to someone else. From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Tue Mar 22 02:03:24 2005 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Tue Mar 22 02:03:33 2005 Subject: (fax) The last word In-Reply-To: <1e47dc4bd69e19796e9570113a3657db@sansserifgrafik.com> Message-ID: <200503220703.j2M73O7F013212@pog.tecnopolis.ca> On 21 Mar, Andre Ruello wrote: > i dont care how many fax releases you own. if you're going to say > things like this: > > "If your market is 99% male, you usually don't want to put a naked guy > on the cover of the album. It sure won't be one I'll be leaving out > on the coffee table or some pals might get the wrong idea." > > I will think you're a fool. Which statement in particular were you referring to, the first or the second, or both? It sounds bad out of context now that we know the cover is of a female, but if you reread my original email with the premise that it is a male, it's a valid set of observations and questions I made. I never tried to say what or what not PK should be doing with his label! I just wondered why he chose to do it the way he did and question (assuming it was a male on the cover) his choice based on 1st year marketing basics. I was also interested in hearing what other people thought. I never once said PK "should not be doing this or that", or that it was bad. I was simply wondering why the choice was made. But it's all completely moot now that we know it was a female. > If you're so convinced you know whats best for fax and know what > namlook should do next, why dont you tell him, instead of the list. > > here is his email: pete@namlook.de My position on this is that if Pete wanted to be involved in discussions related to this list, he would subscribe and post to this list. I'm pretty sure he doesn't want to be bombarded by emails from his fans everytime they have a question, comment or criticism! For a 1000 pressing release that's a potential 1000 fans and 1000+ emails! He's indicated in the past (the detroit radio show on FAX that time comes to mind) that he likes to keep somewhat private to spend his time working on music, and I respect that choice. Maybe one day we'll see him here, and that would be pretty nice. It would certainly help set the record straight and stop some of the speculation on many issues (and I'm not referring particularly to this one). From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Tue Mar 22 02:18:53 2005 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Tue Mar 22 02:19:01 2005 Subject: (fax) FAX art - do we need nudes to sell this ambient magic? In-Reply-To: <423E7D53.2060102@telus.net> Message-ID: <200503220718.j2M7IrdW013421@pog.tecnopolis.ca> On 21 Mar, Christian von Ompteda wrote: > > Whether or not this is a woman or not, to me, is not the issue. The > issue is about whether or not this is quality cover art for a new FAX Now _this_ is more the conversation I had in mind with my original post! > release. After the AW release of Air 4, and the continuing Speaking of Air 4, does anyone know what "Elle a du Shell" means? I can't translate "Shell" from French to Enlish for the life of me and it doesn't really make sense as a proper name? But then again, my French is pretty basic. > trivialization of FAX cover art, I have to ask myself what the point is. > Yeah, great, muscular woman, muscular man, whatever - the point that > gets me is that there's something semi-naked on the cover of my next FAX > release that frankly doesn't appeal to me aesthetically no matter what > sex he/she is. At least the FAX "nudes" are (to me) tastefully done. I was a bit shocked with the risque AW Air 4 when I first saw it, but she's pretty attractive so I didn't mind ;-) It did seem "out of place" as compared to the FAX norm though, so on many levels I agree with you. Is FAX doing these "nudes" just to drum up sales? I doubt it. Who can tell whatever other motive may be behind it. Whoever said it's done to match the mood of the music -- that seems a pretty good explanation to me. Air 4 (and the other Airs) and (we'll see) KF 3 are the more sultry, sex, romantic albums on FAX. The rest of the discussion re: FAX art in general has been covered in other threads and can never really be resolved since it's all subjective. I think everyone pretty much knows where everyone stands on the issue now. Oh, and thanks to Andre for sharing with us that the KF3 art was PK's idea, not his. I think too many of us assumed it was mostly Andre's doing, because of the very Andre-ish look of most of the past 1 or 2 year's releases. Remember, us folks "out of the loop" are not privy to this knowledge unless it is divulged to us over time on this list (or in the liner notes!). From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Tue Mar 22 02:31:27 2005 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Tue Mar 22 02:31:35 2005 Subject: (fax) other Koolfangs In-Reply-To: <357805392.20050321173639@neurowerx.de> Message-ID: <200503220731.j2M7VRno013562@pog.tecnopolis.ca> On 21 Mar, Alexander S.Kunz wrote: > > Is it similar to Virtual Vices IV maybe? I found that one very nice. Laid > back, relaxed, veeeeery cool. Track 3 "We don't mind the rain" is damn > funky as well. KF2 Gig is much more laid back. A bit like VV4 track 4, but more mellow and (track 1) much more compelling! But it may just be me... I've been praising Gig t1 for quite a while now and no one has ever really agreed with me (or disagreed), so I'm starting to think it may one of those things that only appeals to my weird tastes? I'm surprised so many people here seem to not have KF2! The other great PK guitar solo I really like is in Miles Apart. Wow! And I generally don't like guitars too much! As for VV, the entire series is pretty kick ass -- well above FAX par. And who _doesn't_ like We Don't Mind the Rain! It could almost be (or is?) a song non-electrikheads would love too! And as a side note, I bit the bullet and got a few Spyra non-FAX releases recently. "Homelistening" is quite good! Would fit right in on FAX and is stronger than some of his FAX solo releases. "Future of the Past" wasn't as good -- it just didn't click for me like Homelistening and will probably get sold at some point. From ambient at vanleeuwen.to Tue Mar 22 02:43:23 2005 From: ambient at vanleeuwen.to (Ambient) Date: Tue Mar 22 02:43:31 2005 Subject: (fax) The last word In-Reply-To: <200503220703.j2M73O7F013212@pog.tecnopolis.ca> Message-ID: <20050322072949.BC75A85AF07@mail1.monkey.org> Anyone wonder about the female in question? Since (almost) no-one would have thought she was female I can imagine that's not good for someone's self-esteem, let's hope she's no listmember. .... "There will be no order, only chaos." -----Original Message----- From: faxlist-bounces@2350.org [mailto:faxlist-bounces@2350.org] On Behalf Of Trevor Cordes Sent: dinsdag 22 maart 2005 8:03 To: Fax List Subject: Re: (fax) The last word On 21 Mar, Andre Ruello wrote: > i dont care how many fax releases you own. if you're going to say > things like this: > > "If your market is 99% male, you usually don't want to put a naked guy > on the cover of the album. It sure won't be one I'll be leaving out > on the coffee table or some pals might get the wrong idea." > > I will think you're a fool. Which statement in particular were you referring to, the first or the second, or both? It sounds bad out of context now that we know the cover is of a female, but if you reread my original email with the premise that it is a male, it's a valid set of observations and questions I made. I never tried to say what or what not PK should be doing with his label! I just wondered why he chose to do it the way he did and question (assuming it was a male on the cover) his choice based on 1st year marketing basics. I was also interested in hearing what other people thought. I never once said PK "should not be doing this or that", or that it was bad. I was simply wondering why the choice was made. But it's all completely moot now that we know it was a female. > If you're so convinced you know whats best for fax and know what > namlook should do next, why dont you tell him, instead of the list. > > here is his email: pete@namlook.de My position on this is that if Pete wanted to be involved in discussions related to this list, he would subscribe and post to this list. I'm pretty sure he doesn't want to be bombarded by emails from his fans everytime they have a question, comment or criticism! For a 1000 pressing release that's a potential 1000 fans and 1000+ emails! He's indicated in the past (the detroit radio show on FAX that time comes to mind) that he likes to keep somewhat private to spend his time working on music, and I respect that choice. Maybe one day we'll see him here, and that would be pretty nice. It would certainly help set the record straight and stop some of the speculation on many issues (and I'm not referring particularly to this one). _______________________________________________ faxlist mailing list faxlist@2350.org http://2350.org/mailman/listinfo/faxlist From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Tue Mar 22 02:58:06 2005 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Tue Mar 22 02:58:15 2005 Subject: (fax) The last word In-Reply-To: <20050322072949.BC75A85AF07@mail1.monkey.org> Message-ID: <200503220758.j2M7w6rk013958@pog.tecnopolis.ca> On 22 Mar, Ambient wrote: > > Anyone wonder about the female in question? I think it would be pretty useless or in bad taste to speculate? As you say, it could be a touchy topic. > Since (almost) no-one would have thought she was female I can imagine that's > not good for someone's self-esteem, let's hope she's no listmember. I'm sure the gender will be more obvious when I see the actual art when I get my copy. To be fair to the model, it's not really her that makes it ambiguous; it's the pose, the lighting, the hair style, and the hair blocking the face. Also, the fact she appears (in the PDF) to be in good, muscular shape for a woman makes it a bit tough, since body-builder women usually tend to look a bit masculine. I think the touchy question, and the one that was on my mind, is: was the cover _meant_ to be ambiguous or were they expecting it to be obvious? Perhaps the title "Be Aware" should be noted?! Looks like we weren't very "aware" this time! From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Tue Mar 22 04:30:32 2005 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Tue Mar 22 04:30:41 2005 Subject: (fax) other Koolfangs In-Reply-To: <20050321070630.BCAB585AC56@mail1.monkey.org> Message-ID: <200503220930.j2M9UWYG015211@pog.tecnopolis.ca> On 21 Mar, I wrote: > The other great PK guitar solo I really like is in Miles Apart. Wow! > And I generally don't like guitars too much! Ooops! I meant "Possible Gardens", not "Miles Apart"! Doh, I don't think there were any guitars in Miles. I got them confused because they both are with Peter Prochir... strange how the brain works. I love Gardens but found Miles to be only so-so. From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Tue Mar 22 04:56:30 2005 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Tue Mar 22 04:56:38 2005 Subject: (fax) Cover Art In General In-Reply-To: <20050321070630.BCAB585AC56@mail1.monkey.org> Message-ID: <200503220956.j2M9uUuc015531@pog.tecnopolis.ca> On 21 Mar, Ambient wrote: > > I don't know if this has ever been asked before (probably has) but what do > "we" all consider the greatest fax cover artwork until now? You kind of have to go into the collection and look at each one to pick some: My faves: - 2350 Broadway 2 (what's that in the bot-left circle? reminds me of a big-key keyboard) - 4Voice 3 - Fires of Ork 2 (probably my favorite) - Gate/Sol and its sublabel contemporaries that are similar - New Composers - Advanced Indigo (jumps right out at you) - Possible Gardens (very much reminds me of Kitaro's Kojiki, minimal and very artistic; probably my second favorite) - Eisblumen (nice!) - 10 Years of Silence MP3 (a perfect choice for this release) - Silence 5 (wonderful depth, color, catchy) Neat & Interesting though not my faves: - Koolfang 2 (did you spot the circle-in-circle as the eyes? cool) - Ozoona (I never realized before today that around the baby head picture is a sequence of super-slow-mo shots of a liquid drop splashing down Compared to the rest of my couple-thousand CD collection, FAX art -- whether new or old -- is quite distinct, catchy and interesting. From merg2003 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 22 07:48:56 2005 From: merg2003 at hotmail.com (Martin Jones) Date: Tue Mar 22 07:48:58 2005 Subject: (fax) Trevor's comments In-Reply-To: <20050321174906.155A918DA4@postal.monkey.org> Message-ID: Maybe it looks cut & dried obviously-female on the final product -- but from the PDF that's the impression I got. Go look at the pdf link I just posted and you be the judge. If 90% of the listmembers think it's a man or aren't immediately certain, then I think it's fair to call the (PDF) cover ambiguous and hence my original post asking "what's up with this?" is understandable, no? ------------------------------------------------ Of course it is, artists are just sensitive :-) By the way, surprise me, what's your missing Fax disc? P.S. For what it's worth, when I looked at the PDF, knowing that it's a woman, I still wasn't sure... From Nick.Corbin at acnielsen.co.uk Tue Mar 22 07:52:27 2005 From: Nick.Corbin at acnielsen.co.uk (Corbin, Nick) Date: Tue Mar 22 07:52:36 2005 Subject: (fax) Trevor's comments Message-ID: <9DA16792506C9840A23754B3BD154B9A0CC0E2@acn044oxfmsx09.enterprisenet.org> > By the way, surprise me, what's your missing Fax disc? i was going to ask that too... From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Tue Mar 22 08:04:56 2005 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Tue Mar 22 08:05:04 2005 Subject: (fax) Trevor's comments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200503221305.j2MD4u8q022540@pog.tecnopolis.ca> On 22 Mar, Martin Jones wrote: > > By the way, surprise me, what's your missing Fax disc? Oh ok, since everybody seems to want to know ;-) I only need Oscar Sala - Subharmonic Mixtures. I've asked about it before on the list but either no one has it or no one wants to sell it. Which begs the question: where are all the 1000 copies? Surely it couldn't have been that big a seller. If someone has it and wants to sell it, email me! From ambient at nycap.rr.com Tue Mar 22 10:27:38 2005 From: ambient at nycap.rr.com (jackthetab) Date: Tue Mar 22 10:27:46 2005 Subject: (fax) Trevor's comments References: <200503221305.j2MD4u8q022540@pog.tecnopolis.ca> Message-ID: <003201c52ef3$aee019a0$cb01a8c0@ambient> this disc was also released on another label, but missing some tracks. this is a disc that i think is very underrated. it does not rank up there with the top ten, but it is something that i enjoy listening too. Oskar Sala - Subharmonic Mixtures - PS 08/85 the album starts with some non fax sounds. some unique electronic ambient sounds are presented throughout this album. each track carries a unique and 'playful' melody, yet still maintaining a sense of darkness and somber moods. classical electronic experimental ambience with both a sense of humor, and serious side. at times the sounds are intense -4:43 in track three, -1:55 in track nine. -1:56 in track ten, there are some amazing moments through out the whole album and, if you listen closely, you can surely hear some classic fax moments. not for everyone, as it is challenging at times. kunst und wahnsinn, jackthetab #####\ _ /##### #( )# | _( )__ | #( )# ##### | /_woof/ | ##### #" "# | ___m/I_ /_____ | #" "# # O # |____#-x.\ /++m\ /.x-#____| # O # #m.m# | /" \ ///###\\\ / "\ | #m.m# #####/ ######/ \###### \##### /_______________________________________\ http://jackthetab.deviantart.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trevor Cordes" To: "Fax List" Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 8:04 AM Subject: Re: (fax) Trevor's comments > On 22 Mar, Martin Jones wrote: >> >> By the way, surprise me, what's your missing Fax disc? > > Oh ok, since everybody seems to want to know ;-) > > I only need Oscar Sala - Subharmonic Mixtures. I've asked about it > before on the list but either no one has it or no one wants to sell it. > Which begs the question: where are all the 1000 copies? Surely it > couldn't have been that big a seller. > > If someone has it and wants to sell it, email me! > > _______________________________________________ > faxlist mailing list > faxlist@2350.org > http://2350.org/mailman/listinfo/faxlist > From micah at benthic.cc Tue Mar 22 11:39:29 2005 From: micah at benthic.cc (micah stupak) Date: Tue Mar 22 11:39:36 2005 Subject: (fax) move d + namlook, guitar + speedy j + sad world (aka random stuff) Message-ID: <1111509569.42404a4174002@webmail.benthic.cc> all the talk of koolfang lately has made me bust out some move d + namlook... i love the rhythms on _a day in the live_, and i like it more on the whole than _the retro rocket_, but the last 20 minutes of TRR are *sublime*... from namlook's string line with about 20 minutes left, then those housey pads and detroit percussion, the ascending melody, and the moog solo. pure class. i gotta pick up a koolfang album now. (yes, i don't have any, you can hit me later.) fwiw, my favourite namlook guitar is also "possible gardens". one of the jet chambers comes close, though, i can't remember which. i brought those to work today so i will listen to them next and figure it out. i listened to pp.nmlk last night for the first time since it came out. i listened to it the day i got but was quite underwhelmed. last night, though, it really hit the spot. the second track, that bassline is monstrous. the reverb envelopes on track three are out there, too. i was asleep by track four. (i love how that's never an insult with fax. ;) ) anyone figure out the name of track two yet? "cbrg n srfc"? i think it's "...on surface". something. sad world three better than two? uhh, what are you smoking? (ps - anyone want to sell a copy of one? mine is scratched!!!!) micah stupak benthic recordings : soundings from unexplored places micah@benthic.cc .. www.benthic.cc ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From lx at neurowerx.de Tue Mar 22 11:50:51 2005 From: lx at neurowerx.de (Alexander S.Kunz) Date: Tue Mar 22 11:50:53 2005 Subject: (fax) move d + namlook, guitar + speedy j + sad world (aka random stuff) In-Reply-To: <1111509569.42404a4174002@webmail.benthic.cc> References: <1111509569.42404a4174002@webmail.benthic.cc> Message-ID: <1547624018.20050322175051@neurowerx.de> Hello Micah Stupak & everyone else 22-Mrz-2005 17:39, you wrote: > "cbrg n srfc" "Cyborg" maybe? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) I'm just glad it'll be Clark Gable who's falling on his face and not Gary Cooper. -- Gary Cooper on his decision not to take the leading role in "Gone With The Wind." From Nick.Corbin at acnielsen.co.uk Tue Mar 22 11:53:20 2005 From: Nick.Corbin at acnielsen.co.uk (Corbin, Nick) Date: Tue Mar 22 11:53:25 2005 Subject: (fax) move d + namlook, guitar + speedy j + sad world (aka random stuff) Message-ID: <9DA16792506C9840A23754B3BD154B9A40505C@acn044oxfmsx09.enterprisenet.org> > > "cbrg n srfc" > "Cyborg" maybe? damn, i was just in the middle of mailing that in! i'd say definitely 'cyborg', especially when you consider the missing 'y' in 'dx snth'. [nick] From lx at neurowerx.de Tue Mar 22 11:53:49 2005 From: lx at neurowerx.de (Alexander S.Kunz) Date: Tue Mar 22 11:53:50 2005 Subject: (fax) move d + namlook, guitar + speedy j + sad world (aka random stuff) In-Reply-To: <1111509569.42404a4174002@webmail.benthic.cc> References: <1111509569.42404a4174002@webmail.benthic.cc> Message-ID: <1986369056.20050322175349@neurowerx.de> Hello Micah Stupak & everyone else 22-Mrz-2005 17:39, you wrote: > "cbrg n srfc" or maybe "Iceberg". -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: "cbrg n srfc" by Pete Namlook & Jochem Paap from the 2004 album 'pp.nmlk' :) From micah at benthic.cc Tue Mar 22 12:00:32 2005 From: micah at benthic.cc (micah stupak) Date: Tue Mar 22 12:00:35 2005 Subject: (fax) move d + namlook, guitar + speedy j + sad world (aka random stuff) In-Reply-To: <1986369056.20050322175349@neurowerx.de> References: <11115